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Author Topic:   God's Prophecies: what is behind them?
purpledawn
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Message 9 of 77 (211066)
05-25-2005 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Asteragros
05-23-2005 11:08 AM


Re: How do Prophecies work?
quote:
The problem is summarized with the following question.
When God pronounces a prophecy, He:
The Hebrew God didn't pronounce prophecies, prophets did. In the OT a prophet was a spokesman for God. Moses was a prophet because he spoke for God and related God's will to the people. The people did not want God to speak to them directly.
Exodus 20:18-19
When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance and said to MOses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die."
Therefore the primary job of the prophet was to relay God's instructions to the people and warn them of what will happen if they fail to follow God.
quote:
1) "Sees" the future, without compelling the happenings to fit the prophetic model (highlighting his foreseeing capability) or..
2) He controls and guides all the happenings so they will fit the prophetic model (highlighting his almightiness capability).
So neither of your models truly represents the Hebrew God's use of the prophets as I understand it in the OT.
It was more along the lines of "If you don't follow my commands then I will..."

"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France

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purpledawn
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Message 12 of 77 (211481)
05-26-2005 12:44 PM
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05-26-2005 8:47 AM


Re: Enticement vs Temptation
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Thus, any TRUE prophet never "vainly prophecied out of their own imagination, right? In other words, the definition of a prophet was as you say one who spoke on behalf of God,right?
That is the premise of OT prophecy as I understand it. God puts his words in the prophets mouth.
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So if a prophet were to be enticed, they would be following their own vain imagination or interpretation.
The setup here for Ezekiel is in verse 7.
The offender wants the best of both worlds (idols and YHWH). God promises to cut the person off from his people for worshipping idols. Any prophet who tries to consult God for an idolator will be suffer as well.
10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him.
Looks like the prophet needs to be careful who his customers are.
If the prophet was baited, I don't know that he would be following his own vain imagination or interpretation. Since God was doing the baiting, he apparently gave the prophet something to say.
I'll have to think on it a bit.

"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France

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purpledawn
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Message 30 of 77 (212305)
05-29-2005 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by lfen
05-28-2005 6:03 PM


God is Not a Prophet
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Prophecy was the tool the priest used to control society.
The OP originator should have specified he was talking to Christians if he didn't want other views.
From a OT (Hebrew) viewpoint the questions are not applicable.
Message 9
I haven't noticed anyone who has answered give any OT biblical support to their reasoning that prophecy functions as the OP suggests.

"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France

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