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Author Topic:   Are Scientists Abandoning Evolution?
sfs
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Message 63 of 82 (212786)
05-31-2005 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by randman
05-30-2005 1:49 AM


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Point 2 is that what causes form to take place is interaction with consciousness. My understanding is consciousness-based interpretations of QM effects is dominant. Some here have agreed with that, and some disagreed.
I disagree strongly. In my years as a physicist I seldom, if ever, ran into anyone who espoused a consciousness-based interpretation of QM.
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What QM suggests is that energy patterns are what constitutes material, and it moves, vibrates, etc,...at different frequencies and patterns. That supports the biblical idea that thoughts and actions can have a "seed" effect in the universe as a whole. The reason is that it is unscientific to think that the energy of thought is different than the energy that makes up matter, the force that emanates from a "conscious and intelligent Mind."
Sorry, this has nothing to do with physics. Yes, QM can be thought of as saying that patterns of energy are the basis of matter. Those patterns obey strict physical laws -- they have nothing to do with fuzzy concepts like the "power of thought".
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I've mentioned the entanglement aspect a little which indicates there is the existence of a realm tied to the normally observable world around us, but which is invisible and contains connections which manifest superluminally. Has the basic qualities of the spiritual realm many traditions, including the Bible have depicted, and even explains how prophecy might work in the sense of seeing future or past events. Superluminal means that it works at a differant rate of time, and logically ought to be able to be used to access past and future present points informationally.
Here you are simply contradicting physics, which says that entanglement cannot be used to send information superluminally. Once again, the "superluminal" effect in quantum entanglement obeys strict and precise rules. It is not an opening through which you can drive whatever faster-than-light speculations you might find appealing.
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Miracles are given very strong scientific backing in QM, at least as far as not violating the laws of physics. Take the concept of quantum tunneling. Classical physics, for example, would say it is impossible to throw a ball completely through a wall without it seeming to touch it, nor damage the wall. The ball will always bounce back, or perhaps break the wall, but it cannot just sail right through a solid wall, such as a solid wood wall.
QM also tells you that the probability of the ball tunnelling through a wall is so low that it is immensely unlikely to happen even once in the history of the universe. What QM says, in effect, is that (some) miracles are possible but that they don't happen.

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