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Author Topic:   The Case of the missing inventions.
Silent H
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Message 3 of 21 (217381)
06-16-2005 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
06-16-2005 11:36 AM


Intriguing, let me give it a shot...
I think your third point answers your first point.
The cultures that crossed water or land bridges were not ones that would have been able to, much less desire to use, draught animals. Sure it might be nice to have something to carry your belongings, but it was better to be able to carry it youself, or within a canoe (boat). And they were basically hunter-gatherers which meant they did not need to domesticate animals for ploughing as there was no ploughing to be had.
Without draught animals, or the need to carry massive amounts of supplies over land, the wheel was essentially useless. They may have understood circles or that hoops might role, but an axle and wheel would not be much use (except perhaps as a wheel barrow).
The largeness and diversity of the landscapes may have also ruled out wheels. They would not help on water, up and down wild mountains, through forests, etc etc.
I can't guess why the bellows were not developed, other than wood and stone were enough for most people's needs. They also moved a bit, often in smaller numbers than a normal ancient "urban" environment and so no one really had time to commit to looking at materials engineering.
That said, I thought some native americans had bellows of some sorts to stoke fires, even if not for smelting operations.
Does this make sense? Pure speculation of course.

holmes
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Silent H
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Message 4 of 21 (217382)
06-16-2005 11:59 AM
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06-16-2005 11:56 AM


have you ever read "Guns, Germs, & Steel" by Jared Diamond.
I saw that book back when it came out and really wanted to read it, then it left my to do list. Is it a good book, would you recommend it re-enter my to do list?

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Silent H
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Message 10 of 21 (217413)
06-16-2005 1:40 PM
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06-16-2005 12:06 PM


I suspect that the lack of draught animals may have played a part, but again, why that step wasn't taken is a mystery to me.
Not sure if you saw my response on that or not. I think it was mainly their nature as hunter-gatherers, whose territories and movements precluded taking animals or domesticating them longterm... much less use a wheel for some kind of vehicular movement.
Certainly even a mill for grinding corn seems to require a sedentary life which most really didn't have, or not for long enough to make mills feasible.

holmes
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Silent H
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Message 18 of 21 (217553)
06-17-2005 4:21 AM
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06-16-2005 4:40 PM


The hunter-gathers certainly existed but they existed alongside agricultural ones. The terraced farming found in Peru is still functional today
Well. like I said, I was just sort of speculating so I'm really just throwing out ideas to mull over. I realize there eventually were more sedentary civilizations that came about, but they were later than European civilizations and they may have "skipped over" ideas about wheels or draught animals based on their previous nomadic experiences.
Especially in some of the hard to reach spots like peru, draught animals could have been very difficult. Of course why they wouldn't invent plows and have humans drag them... I don't know.

holmes
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