According to the Bible, our first parents knew the One God, and polytheism was a degeneration after the Fall when the true God was forgotten and the demons impersonated "gods" to spiritually dead humanity. Polygamy also was a degeneration from the original God-ordained monogamy, again as a result of the Fall.
Perhaps you should read your own Bible. There was no marriage at all within the Garden, and the initial references to marriage in the Bible are okay with polygamy.
But in any case you have not answered my question at all regarding polytheism. Whether it was the great flood or Babel or whatever which caused most humans to forget the "true" past, there was only polytheism as far as people knew until monotheism rose up. Thus the situation is similar to today where as far as we know there were no gay marriages.
Does a lack of knowledge about something having been a tradition in history, have anything to do with the question of if a new thing can be done? No. It is moot to that question.
Name the cultures that have sanctified gay marriage.
Sanctified? Well in that case there are some. If you mean had as legal institutions then there are none. I am well on the record at EvC for pointing out that there is no example of gay marriage as a part of cultures throughout history.
That is of course disregarding recent history at this point, because some parts of Western civilization has.
But the point you are trying to make is true, there is no tradition of gay marriage throughout human cultures, due specifically to its nature which was securing familial rights that really could only be applied to heteros (though not just couples).
The problem you are having is dealing with the next step. That does not make an argument why it cannot start now and be successful, or that if it did happen that all societies would crumble.
In fact someone could point out the obvious counter argument. Up till now no nations have had gay marriage and they have all collapsed. Maybe what they all needed was gay marriage!
By the way, don't ever ask me again for proof of something until you give proof of something you have claimed. To ask me to show cultures that have had gay marriage when you refuse to back your claim of cultures that have fallen due to changing marriage values, is a bit hypocritical.
They want it to give an aura of legitimacy to their unnatural sexuality, that's all.
That is right. So what's the problem? We allow you to practice your unholy and unnatural religion all you want, and not even have your corporate churches pay taxes.
Whether it is "unnatural" in your eyes, or the eyes of your God, as a social custom gays want State sanction to grant an aura of legitimacy to themselves and those that don't hate them. You can still dislike their unions, just as some spit on your backward beliefs and practices.
by redefining rights and freedoms to cover sins and crimes and aberrations.
By "redefining" you mean "returning".
And what does this CHANGE?
It changes exactly what I said it changed. Xians (well the monotheist religions in general), through their worldwide campaigns have helped redefine the traditional role of marriage that you like to squawk about. It went from rights for families to legitimization of sexual relationships regardless of children.
Thus marriage took on a social connotation outside the religious sphere. You can't blame anyone else but yourselves if people outside your religion accept and react to social connotations.
To be honest I wish gays would reject it as well as any other free thinking person. But social customs/expectations are hard to smash.
The "loss" of polygamy started a couple of millennia ago, it's not exactly new, and it can be credited as one of the improvements in the West that led to our great success as a culture.
What do you mean a "loss" of polygamy? First of all the early monotheists in your own freaking Bible were okay with polygamy. Monogamy was later recommended but not as some absolutely correct way, until much later in the church and that not really two millenia ago. But that was just Xians.
Outside of that there are more polygamous cultures than there are exclusively monogamous ones. Are you suggesting that there is a lesser degree of people getting married in polygamous fashion? Maybe. But that is hardly a loss of polygamy altogether and more of a demographical snapshot of trends.
Polyamory is rising.
But heterosexuality is THE standard and changing THAT is as good as asking for the destruction of society altogether. Practically speaking, gay marriage does NOTHING for society, it is merely a self-indulgence that trivializes marriage and contributes to the fragmentation and confusion we're already seeing so much of. So far I've been avoiding bringing God into this but at some point it has to be said that this is just inviting God's judgment, along with all the other ridiculous social "freedoms" we've been entertaining. In fact this fragmentation IS the beginning of God's judgment.
Practically speaking it does do something for society. It produces happiness within a section of the population and may even contribute to a less "loose" lifestyle. Even if you hate gays, it would seem that having them "settle down" to be prudes just like you would at least be welcoming.
And you have still done nothing to explain how it trivializes anyone else's marriage, or causes fragmentation and confusion. So a gay couple gets married? How does that effect anyone else?
There are many types of vehicles, the fact that a drivers license can be used for a pickup truck as well as a VW Bug, does not have anyone screaming they can't figure out whether they are a redneck or a hippy.
But I'm glad you've finally come clean and admitted the only source of fear that you have regarding this: Yourself. You claim to have some uncommon knowledge that is only shared on high with God (for certainly it is not in the Bible) and which you are doling out to us in these fractured nonfact filled posts.
Yet it does raise a question. If gays getting married will bring on God's judgement, isn't that a good thing? Isn't that what Xians are waiting to die for?
It seems your best plan is to allow it to happen and keep praying for your own salvation and soon everything will be peachy.
"Science" will be the death of us all. Common sense is thrown out and now we must do everything by "evidence." Do you have to conduct a double-blind experiment to find out if it's wise to get out of bed in the morning or not?
If I'm going to publish a paper or make a claim that getting out of bed will cause nations to crumble, then yes some sort of research is in order.
Without evidence common sense is nothing.
When you get sick do you go to a hospital?
holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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