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Silent H
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Message 245 of 291 (221852)
07-05-2005 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by Faith
07-05-2005 5:51 AM


Re: Why state sanctioned marriage?
I added that nevertheless it may have taken the growing permissiveness in teh culture to bring out the evils that had been dormant or suppressed. I think it was a decent point and clear enough as is, Augustine notwithstanding.
But the point I made is that yoru conclusion is likely not true, and is backed by at least one Xian Saint.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Silent H
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Message 261 of 291 (221891)
07-05-2005 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Faith
07-05-2005 8:43 AM


Your lack of understanding history, specifically sexual history is hampering any discussion with you. You make assertions, we ask for proof, you disappear. You reappear with assertions, we ask for proof, you disappear or claim you don't need to know since there is an obvious trend since the 60's.
Go back in history to put the 60s in the proper perspective.
As it stands the recent rash of sex by clergy (including with children) is not new. What is new is the upsurge in hysteria regarding sex with children and thus a rooting out of any and all possible perpetrators, including cases that are 30+ years old. There obviously won't be as many of those as there will be more recent ones.
Don't get me wrong, I realize how ridiculous and unhealthy it is for a person whose dedicated profession it is to tell people they are going to hell for sex, to then turn around and convince young children, placed in their care by trusting parents, to have sex. My point is only that it has been going on for some time, and simply overlooked as not that important until the USA went bonkers as if children having sex was equal to being tortured and killed. Then it seemed like something new was happening.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Silent H
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Posts: 7405
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Message 269 of 291 (222066)
07-06-2005 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by Faith
07-05-2005 6:23 PM


I make a conjecture that can't be proved and you carry on as if I'd violated a basic tenet of science.
You made an argument. And yes it is against the rules of good debate.
Then you go on and make your own assertions without one iota of proof. That this is all hysteria and not reality. Well prove it.
Knight has already explained this, but I will repeat it to see if it sticks: I cannot prove a negative. You are the one making a positive claim.
I am questioning your claim, and so you must back it up.
I'm going to repeat something I said earlier about you. I admire your clarity of writing. It is very good. The problem is you have not added the next critical element, which is logic. Great writing skills with no analytical skills or knowledge of how arguments are properly constructed is pure fluffery, fiction, hardly even raising to the level of sophistry. You really should check into some logic courses. I am not being sarcastic at all. Do this and add some solidity to the quality of your prose.
I might then add that you need to move away from the Bible or news media you currently get your messages from and read history, go to actual documents if you want to avoid "liberal spin". Evidence is the next important element after logic.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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