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Author | Topic: Blasphemy ? What is it ? How is it Done? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
I and many others have been,at various times, accused of blasphemy. Other members have suggested it is impossible for a disbeliever to commit the act of Blasphemy.
Example 1 quote: Example 2 quote: This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 05-Aug-2005 05:48 AM
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: We can deal with the rest in a minute but I'm not particularly happy with this - that would have taken a one minute "can you change those to a link". Don't project your faults as a moderator upon me. Moreover, if you had problems with my motivations you should have dealt with that before releasing the topic. This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 05-Aug-2005 06:04 PM
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
As for the examples - the one is from what appears to be a taught course at a university - therefore, I felt that if it is suitable for discussion in a place of learning, it must be suitable for discussion here.
The second is from a marvel comicbook - again, something that I did not think people would not find overly offensive. I did consider giving the thread a historical context by using The love that dares to speak its name by James Kirkup. I started the thread because someone specifically asked for me to be banned on the grounds of Blasphemy, so it got me thinking about the subject. I picked the examples because I thought they were very mild examples to kick off the debate. This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 05-Aug-2005 06:06 PM This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 05-Aug-2005 06:27 PM
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
You could be right about the me trying to offend but you know what? I don't find the things that I post here that offensive, I just don't. I don't mean that they don't offend me, I just don't see them as being that offensive generally.
Cultural - I think it very difficult for someone who is not british to understand this (and I'm sure the other brits will correct me if they feel I'm wrong on this) but for my generation, what is considered offensive is very different to what the older generation would consider offensive or what americans would find offensive. The best recent example was a show that had jesus as a bedwetter in a nappy who got a sexual thrill from shitting himself - is that offensive to people? Most people here thought that was funny - a comedy sketch that had no relationship to the actual message of the christian religion. Now you need to decide what you want the thread to be about - Are we debating me or the issue? if it's about me, it should have never been promoted but we both know that. This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 05-Aug-2005 06:22 PM
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
you raise an interesting point - I cannot think of a word for it, but is the quoting of scripture and threating people with burning in hell if they don't toe the party line offensive or just threatening?
On a sidenote - I've been looking at my examples and I honestlythought that they would be considered "borderline" cases that would be a source of debate. I emailed them to some christian friends and they found them funny. two things have come out of this: 1) Maybe Jar has more of a point than I first admitted - I'll need to chew on that one. 2) It might be as well to have a thread on offensiveness in a more general (and I'll try to word that one a bit better than this) sense. I'm starting to think the gulf here is bigger than you would think on first examination.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Now you mention it - I cannot think of a single catholic priest joke I've heard that doesn't end with the priest being revealed as a child molster -again, maybe that's a british thing.
When the pope died - our Private Eye magazine had a picture of him wandering around in the dark saying "hello, hello is there anyone there?" is that offensive? dunno.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
That raises an interesting point - if you consider something vulgar and I don't - is it vulgar?
What if we get someone on who believes that it's wrong to discuss say sex in any form, do we stop having threads like the pornography one? What do you object to more the language or the intent? what if I used the word "cunt" liberally (which I don't - I like to add) - is it the word or the intent? are the two the same?
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: I honestly don't know - the second one - God in a bar is part of a story that reveals God as working for a larger organization that builds universes.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: That's a joke right? Go down to the local mosque and stand out saying "Allah is full of shit". See how many don't take offense. Moreover
quote: This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 07-Aug-2005 10:53 AM This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 07-Aug-2005 10:54 AM
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
no it's generally because yours is a weak liberal religion that frankly most people couldn't get worked up to defend too strongly (or at least that's how it is here).
People tend not to offend the muslims in the UK because we know they WOULD do something (and I'm not talking bombing or the like - I'm taking strong serious sustained protest).
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
yeah he's a bit "off message at time". The queen mother was the same - she used to refer to "nig-nogs" and "darkies".
Before anyone thinks I'm unshockable or trying to be edgy - there have been quite a few things in the public sphere over the last couple of years that have made me think "surely that's not right". This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 07-Aug-2005 11:22 AM
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Really? never knew that - hum... I'll have to go off and google and see if I can get a full list.
Thanks for the info.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
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