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Author Topic:   Blasphemy ? What is it ? How is it Done?
riVeRraT
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Message 23 of 52 (230649)
08-07-2005 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by CK
08-05-2005 5:32 AM


Webster.com
It's pretty simple Charles:
Main Entry: blasphemy
Pronunciation: 'blas-f&-mE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -mies
1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity
2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable
I hope this answers your question.
As far as the rest of you, that think Christians are pushing their religion on you when you do blasphemy, and your're getting upset about it, I don't really believe that's the dynamic thats happening there. I believe that those who know(or even those that don't know, seem to have some feeling of this) that this is a sin, are convicted by the Holy Spirit, but choose to take it out on Christians to justify their sinful nature, because after all, Christians sin too. Deep down the Spirit lives inside you, and the Spirit is sad when you do such things, but you have it so buried, that you can't relate to it, so you take it out in anger, or by insulting the Christian faith. Ultimately God will be the judge, not some religious group. That's my belief.
No matter how hard you try to change life, it's only you that can change.

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riVeRraT
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Message 35 of 52 (230727)
08-07-2005 3:57 PM
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08-07-2005 8:20 AM


Re: Webster.com
Which is completely irrelevant.
All it means is that if Jesus was the Son of God, then the Jews are wrong if they think he isn't.
Believing that Jesus is the son of God, and then having the greatest respect for him/God is not blasphemy, it would just make your belief's wrong, nice try.

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riVeRraT
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Message 36 of 52 (230728)
08-07-2005 3:59 PM
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08-07-2005 9:19 AM


Re: Webster.com
And when we translate those Holy Scriptures into English, it is those definitions that we use to best describe what we think the authors mean, it happens with every language, in case you weren't aware of how we translate things.

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riVeRraT
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Message 37 of 52 (230730)
08-07-2005 4:04 PM
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08-07-2005 10:35 AM


Re: Webster.com
The interesting thing about "allah" is that if you called him love, it would be blasphemy. "allah" has over 60 names, or 90, I forgot, but not one of them means love.
*edit*
I thought it be best to back up my words. So it's 99 names, none of which mean love, ctrl f -- love -- the text you entered was not found.
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riVeRraT
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Message 40 of 52 (230787)
08-07-2005 8:25 PM
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08-07-2005 5:23 PM


Re: Webster.com
I am loving too, but allah is not love in itself. He is a loving God, but is he love?
The one true God would have created love, or be love himself, IMO.
My God is the God of Love and peace, love and loving, and lover of my soul.
from link:
‘ - ’‘()
So just are you a loving God if you say something like this?
quote:
'When the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. But if they convert and observe prayer and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way.'
from this link:
Spiritual Life
Quite the contrary God to me. Do I really need to study the rest of the koran to "just say no" to allah?
I would rather subscribe to "Love others as you love yourself".
The real problem is in doing just that.

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riVeRraT
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Message 43 of 52 (230831)
08-07-2005 10:38 PM
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08-07-2005 8:33 PM


Re: Webster.com
The link was to point out the other names of the Christian God, Love, lover of my soul, etc.
Face it, Allah is the same dude and the Christian or Jewish God. Anything that applies to one applies to all.
Are you sure about that one?
Don't take me wrong, because I have come to a place to accept all religions, for I guess they all serve some kind of purpose. The world is diverse, and I guess we need it. I understand many wars have been started over religion, but to me, it's people mis-interpreting their religion when they start a war over it, and I won't blame the religion per say.

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riVeRraT
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Message 44 of 52 (230833)
08-07-2005 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Nighttrain
08-07-2005 10:29 PM


Re: Webster.com
That would be another thread.
But if an author/s is translating the bible into English, then it is safe to say that a dictionary would best describe what the English word of blasphemy means. Authors do not make up new meanings for words based on thier translations, it's the other way around.
We could start studying what it means in all the other languages, and bible/religions and maybe learn something here.
*edit*
Which one is true? After 1878 posts, I don't know. I know what I think is true in my heart. What ever one works for you. Your the one that will meet God face to face when you die, you tell him whats on your mind, and why you believe what you believe. If there is no God, then it doesn't really matter then does it, people will always have something to argue about, and differ on anyway.
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riVeRraT
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Message 48 of 52 (230890)
08-08-2005 7:55 AM
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08-07-2005 10:47 PM


Re: Webster.com
Of course. And your link was not to other names of God, but simply descriptive phrases.
I thought they were translated phrases, or the actual meanings of the names of God.
IA Muslim can take something said by a non-Muslim as a blasphemous statement but that's perception.
Yes, I agree with that totally. It's a perception thing. But it comes down to respect for something that you cannot prove exists or not, as far as God is concerned, and respect of people's beliefs.
As far as Christians are concerned, blasphemy against God should not be of any concern to us, for it is written:
Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Where as the Jews might not forgive you, just as they accused Jesus of, and tried him for.
Matthew 26:65
Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.
They wanted to kill anyone blasphemed the Lord.
I do not know enough about other religions to know how they feel about it. But to me, if we criticize people like Charles who blasphemies the Lord, or is right on the edge of blaspheming the Lord all the time, then we are not being Christian. Jesus explains clearly that the Lord will take care of it.
So it's our job to be forgiving, this way scolding people like Charles won't get in the way of showing love for that person. If we have enough faith in God to handle his blasphemy, then Charles will understand the love of Christ that we are trying as best we can to portray.
But alas we are only human.
If though you killed folk and said God told you to do it, is that blasphemy?
Depends on your religion, mine, yes. Not only blasphemy, but outright sin. Islam can get away with it, as they have a clause written in the Koran.

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