Faith and other YEC: why even bother taking part in the discussion?

If that is so, then I don't see why one should bother at all. Isn't science concerned with finding the truth? If creationism wants to vie with science for the attention of the audience on fora such as these, it should do what science does: try and find the truth. But creationism doesn't do that. Instead, it states its version of the truth beforehand, and then contorts its interpretetations of evidence to fit that truth.If that's what floats your boat, then so be it. In any case, it doesn't make for meaningful debate. But it could be entertaining though. For instance, to see a creationist interpret a bat into a bird would be quite a spectacle.This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 14-Sep-2005 03:23 PM

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We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

Though you are right that some "truths" science claims are indeed tentative (an adjective, not a noun), evolution being one of them, science has also provided us with some absolute truths:

• The earth is revolving around the sun, not vice versa. Common sense had it wrong, as science has shown.
• If you jump from a high building, you can calculate (if you're quick) the speed with which you will hit the ground, using a formula science gave you.
• Some diseases are caused by bacteria and can be treated with medicins which science has shown to work significantly better than, for instance, prayer.

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We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

It's a matter of perspective. Seen on a galactic scale (i.e. taking the movement of our galaxy with respect to other galaxies into account), the earth might seem to move on a rather erratic path, but when the movement of the solar system as a whole - and the larger systems containing it - is not taken into consideration, then it is definitely the case that the earth is revolving around the sun and not vice versa. There is no way you can devise a theory that accounts for the movements of all the bodies in our solar system which has the earth as the centre. The heliocentric view is absolutely the only way to correctly describe the movements within the solar system. I told you, you'd have to be quick. If the circumstances are the same, the outcome will be the same. That's why one speaks of "the law of gravity". Science can perform a statistical analysis of the effect of both medicine and prayer on a patient. If it does, I predict the effect of prayer will be disappointing in comparison to that of medicine.And be honest, if you were a diabetic, what would you rather have your doctor offer you: prayer or insulin?This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 14-Sep-2005 11:54 PM

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We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

Sadly, you have the disadvantage of being a Brit. What you think is right, the rest of us call 'left', as in "Britons drive on the left side of the road, which they think is the right side." Mainland Europeans know left from right of course, and they also know that the left side of the road is most definitely the wrong side of the road to be on for longer spans of time.Since Brian is a Brit too, you're both wrong - or, in your parlance, 'right'.

Well done, Ian. You got me there.But at least we have now adopted the same practice as elsewhere in Europe, where roundabouts are concerned. Which is more than can be said for driving on the left, still practiced in some remaining patches of the British Empire.Anyway, speaking of hooligans, I am sure you know that the word 'hooligan' originally stems from Ireland, where it seems to have been a family affair once. So, I ask you, what were you tayto munchers think you were doing over here, banjanxing our road signs an' all, eh? Are you Ian 'ooligan, by any chance?