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Author Topic:   Faith and other YEC: why even bother taking part in the discussion?
cavediver
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Message 52 of 141 (243691)
09-15-2005 4:59 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Brian
09-15-2005 3:13 AM


Re: What debate?
Brian, you said...
In all seriouness, these people are really to be pitied rather than laughed at.
and
Although it is embarrassing at times to read their posts, we should remember that these people are essentially desperate, lonely, sad individuals who need a higher power to take over the responsibility of their lives for them.
and when asked if you had evidence of this, you said
Of course I do, but I don't humour these types any more.
I just feel so sorry for them.
Well, I'm not a creationist, but I am a Christian and know many many creationists. Your description does not tally with the bulk of my experience.
So I would like to ask for your evidence. If I fall into one of your "types", and thus I am not to be humoured, then may I remind you that we are in an EvC science forum, and it is not for you to decide to withold a request for evidence. Either show your evidence or retract your statement.

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cavediver
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Message 62 of 141 (243709)
09-15-2005 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Brian
09-15-2005 6:12 AM


Re: What debate?
I appreciate your ironic, and almost humorous reply... however, is it acceptable on EvC to post ad-hom attacks as long as they are followed by ironic, almost humorous replies? You made an ad-hom attack. Do you not have the guts to retract it?
You need to get out more then
Out from what, and into where?

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cavediver
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Message 66 of 141 (243728)
09-15-2005 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by CK
09-15-2005 6:41 AM


Re: What debate?
Cognitive dissonance? Absolutely. Disorder? Perhaps a little strong in my mind, but probably not yours.
This is why the direct debate here is not working. Brian was quite right when he said
There really isnt any debatse going on with anyone who takes this stance, you would have more success arguing with a turnip
although I have had plenty of success in face-to-face discussions.
But I do not see this as leaving the doors open to the further comments made by Brian. Being in a state of cognitive dissonance does not imply that one is "sad" and "lonely". If by "sad" we actually mean "unhappy with the dissonance" then fine, but to suggest that a whole person's life is "sad" is absurd, especially as we have recent evidence that faith is one of the key elements that brings "happiness" (can't remember ths issue of New Scientist but here a ref to it BBC NEWS | Africa | Nigeria tops happiness survey)
I'm not sure what the issue is here. Are you annoyed with YECs for behaving this way, or with the Mods for not coming down harder? Either way, it is not a reason for your own standards to lapse, or even to allow parody a chance to be taken as the de rigueur debating style of this forum.
I think EvC is great place, which is why I hang out here. But comments on this thread have done it a disservice.
IMESHO of course

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cavediver
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Message 67 of 141 (243729)
09-15-2005 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Brian
09-15-2005 6:33 AM


Re: What debate?
You state that YECs posting on this forum are essentially "sad" and "lonely". In a discussion on "Faith and other YEC: why even bother taking part in the discussion", how is this not ad hom?

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