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since when does being an academic mean i can't tell someone to piss off.
Actually, I believe you used the phrase "lick my balls".
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i don't care about being right. it's ridiculous.
I don't believe you, because you are clearly wrong, yet you will not correct yourself.
Sorry.
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i just simply won't agree that psychology is a science.
And I say that you are ignorant of what research Psychology is and that's why you don't think it is science.
You have certainly not showed any signs that you know what you are talking about with regards to anything having to do with the field other than your and your mother's anecdotal evidence.
You weren't even able to answer the question about if your mom's school was mainly clinical or research.
You don't know what you are talking about, yet you hold strong opinions.
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just because they take surveys and analyze data, great. so does polisci and that's not a science. we study how people think about things too. is it a science? fuck no.
You continue to make broad declarations about that which you are clearly ignorant of.
But maybe I'm wrong.
I know. There is a link up thread to the full text of a research Psychology paper that is accessable to the layperson.
Why don't you read it and come back here and explain exactly how nothing in it is scientific?
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the behaviouralists claim it is, but it isn't.
What's a "behavioralist?"
Do you mean a "behaviorist?" Or maybe you mean "behavioral", as in "behavioral research"?
And perhaps you can provide an example of a typical behavioral research paper and explain in specific terms about why it isn't scientific.
Not that you will, because you would rather spout meaningless opinions.
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it's a meld of philosophy and economics and maybe psych and a little of fun rolled into a ball of dough but it is most certainly not a science.
Again, I don't know what "behavioralism" is.
My husband does cognitive psychology. Is that science? Do you even know what it is? I'm sure that won't stop you from having an opinion.
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i've been part of psychological studies at a research institution.
Oh, well, that makes you an expert, then.
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they don't control for things. they don't separate people based on cognitive skills or emotional abuse or any number of things that can mudge even the simplest responses.
How do you know that those things can "nudge" the responses they were looking at? What do you base this opinion on? Personal opinion? "Common sense"?
You are sounding more and more like Faith and Buzsaw with every sentence.
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in bio they control to the max.
Not in the field they don't.
Is Biology conducted in the Amazon Rainforest not real science, according to you?
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in physics they control for atmospheric pressure and temperature changes and wind and blah blah.
Not in the field they don't.
They can't control all wind, all friction, all other forces in the field.
Psycholoy is more difficult because it is less controlled, but it field biology less scientific because it is less controlled than lab biology?
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saying psychology is a science is like saying anthropology is a science. and anthro is just a digging application of sociology and that's certainly not a science.
Sorry, you are wrong.
Meterology doesn't control ANY of it's variables.
Is is also not a science?
Predictions are made and tested in research Psychology.
Theories are falsifiable.
That makes it science.
Just because it is more difficult to do that lab physics doesn't make it less scientific.
It just makes it more variable.
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oh sure, the dictionary describes the word science as being a study by 'observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena'. but if that were the case, art would be a science.
How does one "falsify" art.
That is is really silly comparison.
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you want the real reason i won't agree with you? i'm very elitist. now you may say... hmm why so elitist about a field you aren't in?
...and know nothing about.
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i say. it's very important to maintain the distinctions in fields. it reduces the confusion of surety. science studies very concrete things.
That's bullshit.
Science is all about tentativity and never being 100% sure of anything.
Biology is the study of a complex and unpredictable thing called life.
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things that simply are. things ruled by universal laws.
And people are not?
Brains do not operate within the laws of physics and chemistry?
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social 'sciences' study things about humanity. we study how people think and react and change over time. but humaity is very fluid and on top of it,
That's what people like to think.
However, humans are far more predictable that people want to believe.
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we change our own perceptions and lie to ourselvesd and how we behave depends largely on how we've lied to ourselves and not how we are 'supposed' to be as governed by some unwritten law of humanity. so yes, now the placebo effect. we have the ability to change almost everything. we even have the ability to change what we see, observe, feel... it's a separate discipline because we can depend on a rock to always be a rock (until it melts) and we can depend on a blood cell to always be a blood cell (unless it becomes a cancer cell) and we can depend on gravity to always be 9.8m/s^2 (unless the earth starts spinning faster and the core is miraculously changed to something heavier) and we can depend on a cow not being able to mate with a fish (unless both evolve slowly to become something in the middle which would take a very long time and then they would not be a cow or a fish). we cannot depend on someone always thinking in a fundamental fashion, we cannot always count on someone responding like a victim. people grow and change and overpower the handicaps of their minds. wounds heal, new experiences change their makeup... we cannot think of psychology and anthropology and sociology and polisci as sciences because they are distinctly different. they study fluidity while science studies concretion.
So...what does any of that have to do with the relative difficulty old and young subjects have remembering a series of random letters both with and without learning something new in between letter groups?
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and again i say piss off.
and again I say, learn something about what you are attempting to criticize.
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