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evolutionimpaired
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Message 6 of 57 (254157)
10-23-2005 9:01 AM


House built without a carpenter, tools, or material
I'm new here and after finding that i couldn't, without more steps than i chose to use, create a new topic, I decided this topic was as close to what what I wanted to say...here goes.
Creation holes: 1. God created it all. Wow! That sounds pretty far fetched and unscientific. Fix: Science believes in the chance of higher beings on other planets that may not be carbon based and capable of VERY long travel times (even at light speed) without food. Science also believes in a foldable universe with holes for travel. If they can do any of this, why is it only we stupid people that think some higher power could create something from nothing better than 2 colliding rocks?
2. Noah's ark: Lotta critters for one boat. Fix: God is either behind evolution or continues to create today. I personally believe animals evolve, but could not self mutate into exactly what was needed to last even if the world is older than the scientific world believes (which I, a person who isn't convinsed that the Bible tells how old the Earth is, believe it could be billions of years old).
Evolution holes: 1. Where did the rocks and gases come from? Fix: Was always there, but the same can't be said about the species on Earth?
2. Single celled organisms without the brain to know what it needed to survived were lucky enough to gain it, maintain it, pass it on, and all before the creatures died off from the natural threat that created the need for the addaption. After that, mating animals purposely mated with deformed animals of their own species over and over. The deformity happened to be beneficial, successfully passed on enough times to make a sustainable population (even though this rarely happens...It took us over 2000 years of breeding dogs with abnormalities under our control to get what we wanted....we got some more dogs...not ONE hippo, whale, bird, or insect...hmm... Fix: Dunno
Bridge: Evolution happens, but not by will, necessity, not even chance could make it happen, especially with the odds against having a planet that spins, weighs, keeps its distance from the sun, and has all the right gasses and minerals... every thing perfect. I believe God (by whatever name you wish) is real, created the universe, oversees evolution, is just as logical an explanation, and is worshipped as a religion just as "science" is a religion. Theories like the big bang come about because if you feel it sacreligious to your belief in science, you have to come up with an alternate, even though it is less likely to hold water (which lucky for us all appeared by chance). Christians consider evolutionists heretics for their belief in a theory, evolutionists consider Christians ignorant because of their belief in a theory.
How 'bout we say dunno. We feel strongly we are right (no matter what side), but either or both could very well be true and we promise not to burn either side at the stake.
And if it makes it go down easier, evolutionists can believe that beings from a moon of Jupiter (which we don't need to know where they or Jupiter comes from) made everything because they are highly evolved,...but not gods.
evolutionimpaired
BTW: God appeared to eyewitnesses and did miracles seen by multitudes, but since all the witnesses are dead, none of it is accepted for debate. Just because his presence can no longer be proven except through current miracles that are dismissed as crazy stories, does not prove he doesn't exist. Undiscovered species show up constantly and they existed even though no man seen them before. The falling tree doesn't make a sound, but it does make a vibration, even if noone is there.
Does God have to be proven to exist? Nope. It's called faith. Kinda like the faith we have that carbon dating is reliable and constant even during ages of high heat and changing atmospheres of an ancient planet.
Going to bed now. Will view the many condescending opinions of how church brain washed me (kidding, I'm not that defensive, but it does seem the norm for being talked down to once "The Big Guy" is mentioned). With any luck, my cells will recognize my need early and I will evolve into a more smarter feller in da morning.

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evolutionimpaired
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Message 11 of 57 (254276)
10-23-2005 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by AdminJar
10-23-2005 1:09 PM


Re: House built without a carpenter, tools, or material
I thoguht the whole topic in the thread was giving an opinion on whether the Big Bang could have created a universe or if there is a more cause. I (given a great lack of sleep) found it difficult to discount a Big Bang without the completely illegible run on sentence I posted to state why I see things the way I do.
Ill just make a short response to the posts after mine and try to consolodate my views to the topic in the future.
Individual evolution vs population evolution: I'd find it easier to believe a few individuals possessed the rare alterations at different times in the chain that eventually lead to a true species rather than a mass of creatures simultaniously changing in the same way without something violent enough happening to kill them.
My views under the scope of the scientific method: I believe due to my own experiences and not just based on a book that has seen many changes. If we know matter can't beget matter, something had to be present or created from nothing in a way physics can't explain. Whether we can find an agreable theory on how the Earth got here or not, we still couldn't explain the building blocks. That leaves us with little reason to think that everything couldn't have already just been the way they are. Earth was here, it went through some natural dissasters which killed off many of the animals, including the ones that had always been.

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