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Rrhain
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Message 29 of 39 (260819)
11-18-2005 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by bobbins
11-15-2005 11:19 PM


Re: Incompetence is not really an issue
bobbins writes:
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I cannot believe that incompetence alone is the reason. What I was trying to question was the wilfulness of ignoring of expert opinion.
Well, two reasons. One is, indeed, incompetence. It has been studied and measured that people who are incompetent are incapable of measuring their level of incompetence and consistently overestimate their ability. The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology had an article on it, Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments:
People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.
On the flip side, people who are competent consistently underestimate their ability. People who know a great deal about a subject are more likely to understand that the subject is greater than any one person can fully comprehend and thus will hedge their analyses.
Willful dismissal of expert opinion is, no doubt, related to this inability to recognize one's own incompetence: Because you don't realize just how out of touch you are, you are incapable of considering the possibility that you are not in a position to effectively respond. You overestimate your ability and thus find no reason to hesitate when contradicting somebody with greater experience and more extensive background.
Another, more powerful effect, however, probably comes from cognitive dissonance. If you have a fundamental outlook of how the world is supposed to behave, encountering information that contradicts it is "traumatic." Thus, the information is denied in favor of the core belief.
Combine these two together and you have a powerful block to information: If it contradicts your deeply help opinions of the world and you are incompetent to analyse the information, we should not be surprised that you dismiss it.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 31 of 39 (260822)
11-18-2005 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
11-18-2005 3:59 AM


Charismaniac writes:
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If one cannot even grasp the concept of salvation and has never experienced such an event, how can they disregard the Bible and the message contained therein?
Since two-thirds of the current population of the planet can grasp the concept of salvation and have managed to experience the event without the Bible and the message contained therein, by what justification do we claim that the Bible has the answer to the question of salvation and how to attain it?
Since the entire planet grasped the concept of salvation and managed to experience the event before the Bible and the message contained therein, by what justification do we claim that the Bible has the answer to the question of salvation and how to attain it?
With billions of people managing to achieve salvation without the Bible, why does anybody think the Bible is the only way to achieve it?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 37 of 39 (261185)
11-19-2005 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Phat
11-18-2005 9:28 AM


Re: *blink* Welcome back, by the way
Charismaniac responds to me:
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I have yet to see salvation---as defined by orthodox theologians--experienced by two thirds of the planet.
Huh? Why is your definition of salvation the one that gets used? The overwhelming majority of the planet doesn't seem to use it. Why that one and none of the others?
That said, just what sort of examinations have you done to show that they haven't achieved it? Please, let us not do the circular reasoning claim that the Bible says only the Bible brings salvation.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 38 of 39 (261187)
11-19-2005 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by RAZD
11-18-2005 9:07 PM


Re: Incompetence is not really an issue
Thanks, RAZD. Been fairly busy of late with my plays and such. The Fantasticks had a long run which led into a couple of project management classes and then to Amadeus (playing Mozart for the second time). Haven't had an evening for myself since the beginning of summer. Not sure how long I'll be able to stay this time, either.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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