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RAZD
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Message 4 of 38 (267628)
12-10-2005 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Omnivorous
12-03-2005 9:50 PM


just cause it bears repeating (or is that bares?)
bump

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RAZD
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Message 7 of 38 (267744)
12-11-2005 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Omnivorous
12-10-2005 9:28 PM


Re: just cause it bears repeating (or is that bares?)
To my mind it exposes the whole ID movement as a scam.
scam
n : a fraudulent business scheme [syn: cozenage] v : deprive of by deceit; "He swindled me out of my inheritance"; "She defrauded the customers who trusted her"; "the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change"
coz·en v. tr.
1. To mislead by means of a petty trick or fraud; deceive.
2. To persuade or induce to do something by cajoling or wheedling.
3. To obtain by deceit or persuasion.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 30 of 38 (268426)
12-12-2005 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by nator
12-12-2005 9:36 AM


Re: I wouldn't count ID out.
not just "what are the predictions"
but "what are the predictions of ID theory {X} that differentiate it from current theory - ie majority of evidence explained better by ID theory {X} such that ID theory {X} has better predictive value - and that if invalidated falsify ID theory {X}"
EXAMPLE:
Evidence: some bioligical systems are very complex in operation and involve many elements to accomplish certain tasks.
Observation: Some subsystems of biological systems are "Irreducibly Complex" (IC) such that the removal of any part of the subsystem renders it inoperative.
ID theory {X} = The existence of IC systems is evidence that something other than evolution is at work - such as the work of an "Intelligent Designer" - because the elements of such systems could not have all evolved simultaneously.
Prediction of ID theory {X} = IF there is no way for such a system to evolve, THEN it must have occured by some other method, such as ID.
Experimental evidence shows that "IC" systems can and have evolved (a couple have been observed).
Result: ID theory {X} - "IC" - is an invalidated (falsified) theory, it cannot differentiate ID systems from evolved systems, and it has no measurable value.
That kind of thing.
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Message 33 of 38 (269137)
12-14-2005 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Theodoric
12-14-2005 2:37 AM


Re: I wouldn't count ID out.
another one you mean -- it's been done.

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