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Message 16 of 54 (268809)
12-13-2005 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by crashfrog
12-13-2005 11:26 AM


Re: My changed mind
quite.
besides the point that reformation is always a possibility. now, i'm not suggesting that we just randomly let every rapist and murderer who seems to be a better person now go, but those who have significantly proven their value to society should, at the very least be allowed to live and thus serve society even if it is under close supervision. stanley williams had the chance to make a difference in this world and our laws ruined that chance. we have wounded ourselves and we will continue to do so until we realize the inherent flaws in the system.
execution as punishment cannot stand because we are so flawed that we cannot ensure the guilt of those we kill.
execution has long been defeated as a deterrent. it doesn't work.
therefore, there is no standing for capital punishment.
it doesn't resolve the anguish of victims and families and it doesn't prevent more crime. it is pure, mindless, agressive rage and civilized governments should not participate in it.

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Message 19 of 54 (268841)
12-13-2005 2:57 PM
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12-13-2005 1:57 PM


Re: My changed mind
To my mind a quick and painless death to those that pose a proven and continued risk the community is merciful and civilized to both the murderer and the community.
the proof is in the pudding. and in this case, our judicial system seem to be pudding heads. until no one is ever released from a wrongful sentence, i cannot stand behind execution. in my opinion, life in prison is a substantial punishment. i am one of those people not opposed to labor prisons. make them serve the society they betrayed. make them sort our garbage or something. but don't decide who lives and dies. that reduces you to their level.
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Message 22 of 54 (268854)
12-13-2005 3:21 PM
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12-13-2005 3:13 PM


Re: My changed mind
i don't think it is necessary to kill someone to prevent them from committing a crime.
capital punishment is an act of revenge. nothing more, nothing less. eye for an eye and all that bullshit. i don't ascribe to it and i think it should be ended.

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Message 25 of 54 (268878)
12-13-2005 4:19 PM
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12-13-2005 3:54 PM


Re: My changed mind
heh. even better. i was going for "vengence is mine". nice. so we kill people to keep out unbalanced budget.

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Message 28 of 54 (268892)
12-13-2005 4:41 PM
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12-13-2005 4:11 PM


Re: My changed mind
i know. we just find all the people that might kill someone and, to prevent them from doing it, we just kill/abort them. i'm sure it's feasable.
i mean. if preventing crime is the purpose of our executions...

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Message 31 of 54 (268960)
12-13-2005 7:04 PM
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12-13-2005 4:29 PM


Re: Death Penalty
no of course not. once damned, always damned. cause yeah. the rest of us are perfect and have never made mistakes, ever.
dear god someone's gonna say something stupid about 'messing up and stealing a twinkie from walmart is a little different than killing someone'. and it'll be the same schmuck who says that sin is sin and a lie is like murder.
and what does the bible say about hating is the same as killing?

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Message 33 of 54 (268969)
12-13-2005 7:12 PM
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12-13-2005 7:08 PM


Re: Death Penalty
speaking of which...

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Message 51 of 54 (269066)
12-13-2005 11:20 PM
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12-13-2005 11:11 PM


Re: Revenge
graphs mean nothing. you might as well look at crosstabs. insert the data, run a regression, difference of means, etc. on top of that. you'll have to look at intervening factors such as crime prevention spending, educational success, general feeling of quality of life, and so forth.
but then i'm just a poli sci major. it's not what i will prolly do for a living or anything. ask pink sas. prolly knows better than i.
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