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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 302 (292326)
03-05-2006 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Admin
03-03-2006 2:03 PM


Re: Unfair to Crashfrog?
Crash's posts range from the trivial, the off-topic and the inappriately acerbic to the brilliant. My guess is that he's paying for past sins.

I posted out of anger so I had no objection to the suspension. Thanks, Dan, for sticking up for me. Hopefully it puts Tal under the glass a little bit more.

Guess I need to try to stick more to the "brilliant" end, or failing that, "appropriately acerbic." Not getting involved with discussions with Holmes would probably be the beginning of that.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 17 of 302 (292391)
03-05-2006 1:21 PM


moderation suggested
The "dodging" around here is being done by the evos who can't think their way out of a paper bag but lord it over the creos though they can't follow the simplest point.

i think faith is crossing the line here. she has a nasty habit of succinctly insulting half of this board all in one go and this is only the most recent example.

post 153 'can those outside of science'.

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AdminModulous
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Message 18 of 302 (292400)
03-05-2006 1:53 PM


mark24 and Moderator Bias
mark24 writes:

Modulus,

She called my position idiotic, where were the mods then?

Mark

1) I agree with your general position, but disagree with the way it was worded.
I disagree with Faith's position and the way it was worded.

It would have been stronger bias to call Faith on it than to call you on it. So why didn't I call both of you? Reason two...

2) A lot of what is said here isn't particularly respectful, but there is definite area that is across the gray fuzzy line. Calling someone's idea 'idiotic' is on the border, and I'd be loath to be so heavy handed as to jump in right there. However, it is my opinion that mark's post was beyond simply calling someone's idea idiotic. I thought for the sake of not wanting the topic to degrade into a slanging match such a post should be commented on.

mark24 writes:

Who's the idiot, Faith? Me, who knows what it is, or you, who are so ignorant of logic you are still misciting circular arguments?

mark24 writes:

What a stupid, stupid thing to say. What you need, Faith, is a sense of shame.

In my opinion this is far beyond saying that someone has had an idiotic idea but is calling them an idiot ignorant of logic who says very stupid things. I consider this a worse offense of disrespect than Faith's.

It appears that Faith did respond, but had second thoughts, so my fears that the thread could get out of hand were, I believe, confirmed. Mark didn't help matters by refusing to take the matter to this thread, but instead taking the opportunity for a cheap shot at both Faith and moderator impartiality.

mark24 writes:

I would, if I thought pointing out Faith's favoured position would help. That she can evade, dodge, claim evidence at the same time saying she doesn't need it, be a hypocrite, unashamedly illogical, insult their opponents position, & then their opponents get admonished when they do a fraction of that.

Faith responded in kind.

The "dodging" around here is being done by the evos who can't think their way out of a paper bag but lord it over the creos though they can't follow the simplest point.

In my opinion Faith went from walking on thin ice to falling right through It would probably be on equal footing with mark24's post had it been as long.

3) I had already entered into the debate as my non-moderator alias, and am loathe to do any moderating actions against somebody in a thread I am participating in.

4) Faith was making overtures to leave the thread.


I do consider that some moderator action might be considered to those involved, but I also accept that my interjection may have made the situation worse. As such I'll defer to the other Admins. Also, I have a hot dinner waiting :)


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Faith
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Message 19 of 302 (292401)
03-05-2006 2:03 PM
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03-05-2006 1:53 PM


Re: mark24 and Moderator Bias
Start back on the flood thread, where all the evos -- the usual dogpile of same -- just ignore the obvious point that a worldwide flood does do a nice job of accounting for the particulars I mentioned, and do nothing but raise OTHER points as they always do, thinking that somehow answers mine. And you might also note the personal ridicule they included in their evasive answers. In fact, as I should have known from the start, the whole thread was nothing but an excuse to bash Faith, under the pretense of dealing with the scientific questions of course.

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Message 20 of 302 (292407)
03-05-2006 2:40 PM
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03-05-2006 2:03 PM


Re: mark24 and Moderator Bias
In my opinion that thread was a bit of a disaster. Issues that you may have on that thread really should have been left there, and not dragged (by either party) into a coffee house thread.

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Faith
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Message 21 of 302 (292409)
03-05-2006 2:50 PM
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03-05-2006 2:40 PM


Re: mark24 and Moderator Bias
It isn't a coffee house thread. I don't know what you mean. But it was the way they are treating me on that thread that started all this. Sorry I allowed it to get to me but that is the cause of it.

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Message 22 of 302 (292412)
03-05-2006 2:56 PM
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03-05-2006 2:50 PM


Re: mark24 and Moderator Bias
I took the moderator action in the thread where the hard feelings seemed to have spilled over into. (Message 146)

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Chiroptera
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Message 23 of 302 (298325)
03-26-2006 12:51 PM


moderation complaint
Are comments like this from a moderator acting in moderator mode really necessary?

I can't help it - My "stupidity happening" meter is buzzing loudly.

robinrohan
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Message 24 of 302 (298420)
03-26-2006 8:15 PM


Hi Robinrohan,
I think you must be looking at the wrong messages when you conclude this:

robinrohan writes:
Now, as you can see, I have not made any personal comments about you.

The personal comment that's been mentioned came in your Message 74 where you said:

A typical tactic by Jar. If he doesn't want to talk about something, he says it's off-topic.

In my reply I said that I felt that Christ's sacrifice for our sins needed explanation for how it tied into the thread's topic, otherwise it would be best taken to a more appropriate thread.

That's not what I'm talking about Percy. Look at message #121 and tell me there's no bias there.


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nator
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Message 25 of 302 (298425)
03-26-2006 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by crashfrog
03-05-2006 10:06 AM


Re: Unfair to Crashfrog?
quote:
Guess I need to try to stick more to the "brilliant" end, or failing that, "appropriately acerbic." Not getting involved with discussions with Holmes would probably be the beginning of that.

LOL!!


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Faith
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Message 26 of 302 (298429)
03-26-2006 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by robinrohan
03-26-2006 8:15 PM


Being helpful, just because I wanted to find out what you are talking about, I tracked down the reference you left out:

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=412&m=121#121 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=412&m=121#121">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=412&m=121#121

I think you are confusing a previous incident with the present one, aren't you? Please clarify.

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robinrohan
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Message 27 of 302 (298430)
03-26-2006 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
03-26-2006 8:37 PM


No mistake.
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Message 28 of 302 (298434)
03-26-2006 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by robinrohan
03-26-2006 8:39 PM


Hi Robinrohan,

Are you trying to clarify a misunderstanding, or have you encountered a problem with moderation procedures?

If the former, then I see no misunderstanding serious enough to warrant further attention in untangling.

If the latter, please describe the problem.


--Percy
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Message 29 of 302 (298438)
03-26-2006 9:01 PM
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03-26-2006 8:45 PM


Robin's issue seems to be this post in a totally different thread from a week ago.

I inadvertently replied to robin instead of a general reply, but it was a regular ol' "lets stay on topic" message. The thread had begun to revolve around what's "wrong" with theistic evolution and jar's beliefs instead of the topic of "What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator"


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robinrohan
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Message 30 of 302 (298455)
03-26-2006 10:33 PM
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03-26-2006 9:01 PM


The thread had begun to revolve around what's "wrong" with theistic evolution and jar's beliefs instead of the topic of "What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator"

No, it was a claim that I was personally attacking Jar, which was not the case. Moreover, my remark was not off-topic.

An obvious bias.

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