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Author Topic:   Have we halted our own Evolution?
Phat
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Message 37 of 79 (298243)
03-26-2006 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Heathen
03-17-2006 1:37 PM


Will we keep making the same mistakes or new ones?
creavolution writes:
What does evolution hold in store for us? will it be mental evolution? spiritual evolution?
Personally, I do not know the future. I don't think that any human does...including, oddly enough, Jesus Himself.
NIV writes:
Mark 13:32-33 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come. (and...)
Acts 1:7-8-- He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
If we suspend our knowledge and belief for a moment, it still may not be for us to know the absolute times and dates that any given event in the future may happen. There are some things that may never be known.
That never stops us from trying to know the times and dates, however!

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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Message 43 of 79 (298530)
03-27-2006 4:18 AM
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03-26-2006 11:13 PM


Speculation
crashfrog writes:
Reports of the demise of human evolution have been greatly exaggerated.
Just for the sake of speculation, what do you see the human animal evolving into in...say...5000 more years?

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Message 45 of 79 (298540)
03-27-2006 6:42 AM
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03-27-2006 5:36 AM


Re: Speculation
Morphologically?
UCCMC writes:
The real question would be, however, whether or not we are still here in 5000 years. I'd say we'd be extinct in under 1000 years, barring colonization of the moon and other planets.
IF we became extinct, only the speculative ego-centrism of the human animal can imagine a universe going on its merry way without us and yet somehow stubbornly refusing to believe that God sent His one and only Son to save us. Yes....we are that special and paradoxically that needy!
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Phat
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Message 54 of 79 (298763)
03-27-2006 4:14 PM
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03-27-2006 7:26 AM


Re: Speculation
UCCMC writes:
Not really sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that it is the ego that allows us to envision a world without humanity? Could it not be said that it is the ego that causes such a humanless world to be unpalatable, if not unimaginable?
No---what I am saying is that it is the ego that allows us to collectively imagine a universe without God while at the same time using all of our human derived logic to imagine how the universe actually is.
Its one thing to say that Biological Evolution makes sense---thats common sense.
Same with Geology and other studies of our earth.
Ruling God out of Cosmological arguments, however, seems to me that our faith is more in our human wisdom. For many of us, at least.

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Phat
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Message 56 of 79 (298907)
03-28-2006 5:28 AM
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03-27-2006 7:22 PM


Re: Speculation
Crashfrog writes:
Not faith; but trust. And that trust is not misplaced. The history of human development, in these past few centuries alone, is testament to that fact.
I respect human wisdom. I have friends who have spent long and arduous hours at college gaining wisdom far removed from that of a simple praying monk.
I too have attended college and I know that broadening the mind is an evolution of thoughts, concepts, and beliefs.
I have also prayed with the "monk." Some would say that clinging to "outdated concepts and beliefs is halting the evolution of progressive thought.
I can only tell you that I have experienced both evolution of ideas and information (education) and prayer and meditation (recreation)
Recreation, to me, is impartation of a fresh spirit.
Education is an evolution of existing ideas.
The foundation of recreation is a Creator.
The foundation of evolution is a human idea that is verifiable time and time again.
Perhsaps one question is this: Will human sociological evolution view beliefs in a Deity (ities) as a mutation?
Or is the impartation from a true Deity that pre-existed human evolutionary development a continuing refreshing of our spirit?
Of course you know which side of this you believe, and I know which side I believe.
All I can say to you, Crashfrog, is that there are Lily Pads in Heaven!
What response do you have for me?

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