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Peter
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Message 67 of 90 (30682)
01-30-2003 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Quetzal
01-23-2003 5:53 AM


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Again, I agree about the first part - the concept of NS is biased towards evolution. It is, after all,one of the primary engines of evolution. It is the iterative and creative power of NS that drives
evolution and diversity, so saying it is biased toward evolution is certainly correct.
Call me pedantic, but NS is not biased towards evolution.
NS is a proposed (and observed) phenomenon which leads to
evolution.
Saying that it is biased to evolution is like saying that
1 + 1 is biased towards 2.

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Peter
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Message 84 of 90 (32006)
02-12-2003 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Syamsu
02-05-2003 11:43 AM


Natural Selection isn't a theory ... it's an observation.
The theory lies in the nature of the effect(s) of NS
on a population over time.

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Peter
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Message 86 of 90 (32086)
02-13-2003 2:42 AM
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02-12-2003 9:46 AM


Peppered moths show NS ... whether you like the example
or not ... it shows it ... by observation.
The galapagos finches show the results of NS, and studies
have been reported on this site (so I cannot claim them
to be accurate) that say if you remove the finch population
to another location the 'specialised' beak trends tend to fade
out of the population. It's an observation.
Darwin saw that different creatures, in different parts of
the world shared strikingly similar features if they shared
similar habitats.
He inferred that something about the habitat must pressurise the
creatures into developing these features. This inference
is supported by observation.
Like it or not NS is an observation of nature.

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Peter
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Message 88 of 90 (32102)
02-13-2003 7:22 AM
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02-13-2003 6:54 AM


I thought generalisation of an observation was called a
'Law' .... like Newton's Laws of Motion.
The generalisation takes a set of observations and extracts
that which is the essential character of those observations.
The effect of gravity isn't a theory. I see an apple fall to earth from a tree. I check that a few other items fall when dropped.
I say that the effect of gravity is an observation of the natural
order on earth.
The nature of gravity has theories associated with it, but the effect
of gravity is an observable phenomenon.
Likewise, NS is an observable phenomenon and not a theory.
By generalisation one can see that NS is generally applicable to
all living things.

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