Does Allah = Moon God?

The relevant facts from Robert Morey and Faith Defenders - religious cults, sects and movements are1) That a Chistian Arab takes this view of More's work: 2) Morey is also identified as using similar tactics in dealing with a Christian, Greg Boyd Let me repeat, these comments are from Christian sources. So it is clear that we can't simply trust Morey's word for it. And second hand reports of Morey's claims - like the link you supplied above are worth even less than Morey's own words.v

Mmmmmm. Maybe, but if I'm brutally honest I feel that this thread has the potential to slide into Islamophobia.I seems odd to me that Islam is singled out as having a pagan origin when is very likely that all of the monotheistic faiths had such an origin.Plus it is almost certain that other faiths will need be referenced as comparisons at some point...This message has been edited by RickJB, 04-30-2006 11:32 AM

The very existence of Islam puts LIE to the claim that Allah is a Moon God. Mohammed's life was spent telling folk that Allah is not a Moon God or Sun God or God of some Rock or even of some Place.There is no GOD but Allah and Muhammed is His prophet.Christians that continue to post lies such as the link provided in the OP are guilty of intolerance, bigotry and propagandizing.We've been over this before and it is simply another example of Christians that do not understand their own faith, much less that of Islam.Read Sura 6, 7 and particularly 10, 12 and 13 where Allah is said to have created the Moon and to command the Moon and Sun to move in their courses.The claims made in the OP and in the title of this thread are simply stupid. They show a total ignorance of both Christianity and of Islam and should be treated with all due contempt.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Buz,I know you can't find enough bad things to say about Islam but here you are hurting yourself.You are running with one highly suspect source. You've not done the homework in depth to check your source. At the very minimum your source is contested.You seem to rule the Quran out as a witness. You need to find and cite some reputable scholarly sources or all youve demonstrated is what we already know: every form of quackery and slander can be found on the web.lfen

You call this bit of emotionalism EVIDENCE? Nonsense!! Emotional quotes from some anonymous person is EVIDENCE? Wild accusations with no supporting facts is EVIDENCE? THIS kind of carrying on makes it "clear that we can't simply trust" the opposition's claims??? And your flat unsupported assertion that the link is "worth even less???" We are supposed to take your word for it that this is a Christian talking? This is a disgrace. There is nothing there but the emotional ravings of a person who is "stunned" and "shocked" and slinging unsupported accusations of misrepresentation and things being taken out of context. That's all your own posts have been too. You ANNOUNCE that the topic has been covered and your side won. It's getting to be a very familiar ploy here at EvC. Just bully your way to winning the debate. Just claim that you've won it, claim that you refuted the opposition. You don't need to prove it, all you need do is insist that it's been done.You have done nothing of the sort. That post #250 you linked to was just the same kind of bald assertion.

Hi Buz,
I was glad to see you start this thread because I was thinking of doing it when I got the facts together. But already it's the usual free for all, wild assertions from the other camp, wild accusations. Well what else is new. I guess I'll get around to doing my homework and join in eventually.

If we are going to talk about deceit, what about your claim that it is "best attested historical facts" ?Let me also add that if you had bothered to follow the link to would see the sources of the quotes named.I would further add that I have already provided a link to earlier discussion on this forum.And let me point out that I did give a reason why the link offeed was less useful than the original - it is because it is just a second hand version of the same thing.As for your assertion that I am engaged in "bullying" by pointing out facts you don't like and can't be bothered to check I can only point out that your emotional rant is a REAL example of bullying..

My belief is that God existed and imagined/created man long before we even had the capacity to imagine God! Taken in this context, I can see the obvious argument that there is but one God who permeates all cultural constructs.I can see the bickering and textual analysis of how some writings are more accurate and "sacred" than are others....but putting all of the manmade stuff aside (yes, even the Bible) we are still left with One God, perhaps many deceiving spirits, and humans.Given that, every religious group is guilty of idolatry...from Southern Baptists to Hindus. Beyond and above the idolatries, however, there exists One God who is the same God in India as He is in Springfield, Missouri!This message has been edited by Phat, 04-30-2006 11:29 AM

The fact remains that what you chose to put up on the board was this emotional rant and nothing else. You didn't bother to provide any useful information about the context, the person speaking, why anyone should accept that this is a Christian site, or acknowledgment of the fact that "Christian" could just mean culture and not true belief. Your link is worthless when it requires a reader to read the whole thing to get anything of any value out of it. It's your job to connect the dots.

No, the fact is that you posted an emotional rant. I posted extracts of the criticisms to be found at the link. You can check it all about with just one little click.As I stated the criticisms I posted were from Christians (one a well-known creationist).And while we're talking double standards let me point out that you haven't even posted a link to back up your claim. Isn't that YOUR job ?

Well said! Thanks, Phat, for a such a clear succinct statement.lfen

The topic of the thread is "Does Allah = Moon God". The link in the OP is from a site claiming to be a Christian site. The sad part in both the site linked to in the original post and in the very fact that a thread here at EvC got promoted is that all either show is the total ignorance of the Christian site used as a source and the originator of this thread.The basic tenet of Islam is "There is not GOD but Allah". The Qur'an goes on to tell us that Allah created the Universe. That includes the sun and the moon. If Allah created the moon then it seems pretty reasonable, something even a red brick might understand, that Allah cannot be the Moon God.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Funny the pro-Islam crowd don't get their act together and agree on a few basics here. So far they've argued that 1) Islam didn't originate with a pagan moon god. I would think the symbol of the crescent moon would be a BIG clue to its origin. 2) It did but it doesn't matter.Well, which is it, it did or it didn't? The Biblical God certainly didn't start out as a pagan god. Nobody said Islam still worships the moon god. The OP is about how the name came from the moon god. That's the whole topic. Now they worship some concept of one Creator God using the old pagan name.

It was approved because the Allah/Moon thing has come up a few times recently and I figured it needed its own post. I see now that the thread you pointed to is still open, but then again its like 2 and a half years old. I recommend any readers of this thread take a look at the link PaulK gave to a previous discussion on the boards.The other thread will give useful background information for either side of the debate and (he says with an air of hopeless optimism) prevent needless repetition.

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Hold on, hold on - Trying to categorize those who disagree with the concept of Allah=Moon God as "pro-Islam" is not particularly useful, helpful or insightful. You can disagree with the factual and historical nature of a statement without making any value judgement about a religion.If I argued that Jesus was not the Son of Satan that would not make me "pro-Christianity"!