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Author Topic:   How Science Progresses -- By Overturning Old Paradigms?
Joe Meert
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Message 9 of 38 (30684)
01-30-2003 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by peter borger
01-30-2003 7:42 AM


TB illustrates the following false dichtomies:
quote:
1. The geo-col consist of layers
a) Gradualism: layers formed gradually due to seasonal change in load composition.
b) Flood geology: layers formed rapidly via hydrodynamic sorting uner rapid curents
JM: Modern geologic thought allows that some layers are formed slowly and that some layer form quickly. However, there is simply no evidence that the entire column formed via a single Noachian type flood 4000 years ago.
quote:
2. Gorges typically carry rivers proportional to their size
a) Gradualism: these rivers eroded these gorges over eons of time
b) Flood geology: once high-energy sheet erosion (during the later stages of the flood recession) degraded into an intermediate energy channel forming mode the reecession carved canyons out of still soft flood sediments. The same catchments that provided this 'intermediate energy' run-off are still the same catchments that are the source of the same (low energy) rivers today.
JM: False, modern geology understands that soft sediments can be cut quickly in high energy river systems, but that it takes longer to cut through crystalline and cemented rock. However, there is no evidence for a canyon cut by a single Noachian type flood 4000 years ago.
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3. World-wide deposits of the geo-col can be assigned to various sedimentary environments
a) Gradualism: these enironmetents can be found today gradually forming layers
b) Flood geology: these environements could have been catastrophic flood stages and lulls
JM: False, modern geology understands that deposits can form at various rates and in a variety of environments. What geology also understands is that there is no 'global set of strata' generated during a Noachian flood 4000 years ago. Honestly TB, I thought you'd know better than to tilt at windmills.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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Joe Meert
Member (Idle past 5711 days)
Posts: 913
From: Gainesville
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Message 12 of 38 (30797)
01-31-2003 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by lpetrich
01-30-2003 11:11 PM


L--
Every point you make has been made in similar or more detail to TB in the past---hence my earlier terse response. HE just ignores the points and continues on his merry way fabricating false views of modern geology and ignoring past rejections of Noachian flood geology.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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Joe Meert
Member (Idle past 5711 days)
Posts: 913
From: Gainesville
Joined: 03-02-2002


Message 14 of 38 (30816)
01-31-2003 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Minnemooseus
01-31-2003 1:53 AM


Lol, not cranky per se. It just gets a bit tiring spending the time to post a thoughtful response and then watching the same (false) argument arise from the same person. The 'to hell with data because it interferes with my belief system' works well for keeping forums alive, but not for ones patience.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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