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Ipetrich: Rapid and consistent currents can be produced by rivers, especially flooding rivers.
I have no idea how much you know about geology, but that is not the nature of the geo-col. Everyone thinks the geo-col is river beds and swamps. It categorically isn't. The geo-col whether marine or frehwater is constructed from vast sheets of strata. It's not rivers! Rivers are actually very difficult to find in the geo-col!
I guess you have learned nothing over the last year or so... How pathetic. I can find river beds in the geologic record of my back yard! I can see them in drilling the Mesa Verde Formation. I can see them in the Morrison Fm on the Front Range. For a layman you are quite bold in making such assertions.
I am asking you here and now to back up this assertion that river beds are difficult to find in the geological record.
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(I wonder why??). Most of the geo-col is constucted from sheets of marine strata generated as the continents were inundated by the sea. Mainstream science calls this transgressing 'epieiric seas'. We call it flood surges as the paleocurrent indicators directly suggest.
BS.
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I wont deny that some formations are problematic for us (but that is also the case for your scenario). We propose that the geo-col was formed during about six global surges (triggered by catastrophic global tectonics) as recorded in the mainstream sea-level curves deduced from global sequence stratigraphy. We put the low energy sedimentaito evnets in between these surges.
Good. Show us where these surges are in the record. By the way you earlier said there were hundreds of surges. And TC has at least 27 of them in the Lamar River Fm., alone. Sounds to me like you making this up as you go...
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Possibly, possibly not. I'm not an expert on fossil graveyards.
No! Don't tell me it's so...
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That's just a viewpoint. During the Mesozoic, and especially the Paleozoc, paleocurrents correlate across Norht America both vertically and horizontally.
You have never documented this. Please do so.
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Check my posts:
* stratigraphic separation of modern mammals and dinosaurs
* stratigraphic separation of amphibians and flowering plant boundaries
* catastrophic tectonics releases too much heat in too short a time
* there is evidence of genuine habitaiton at many multiple stratigraphic levels during what we call the flood rocks
* there is evidence of slowly formed and wind formed strata
* etc
Hmm, that's funny. We have answers for all of these.
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The correlated paleocurrent indicators are far more consistent with rapid flood surges.
They are far more correlated with paleoslopes.
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We havesand waves of dozens of feet, ripples tha tcorrelate in orientaiton across sub-continets and for thousands of feet of strata.
And they all point to downslope currents. In streams, much of the time.
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In our scenario we still hahve 4500 years of gradualism, ...
Not. Show us how the earth has changed in the last 2000 years of history.
You have just been abbreviated by 2000 years.
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Take another look at the Grand Canyon starta. It's a near continuous record of layering. The para-confomrities are of trivial relief. There is nothing stopping these being flood rocks.
Nonsense.
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Cyclothem coal beds formed over huge flat regions stretching across the east coast (of USA).
Not. They don't reach the coast. At least there would be very few that do.
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They alternate with snadstone which betray rapid delivery via south-west paelocurrents correlated across that region.
Yes, down the paleoslope of the ancestral Appalachians.
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In our scenario the rapid currents brought in the vegetation as a foating mat that then dropped bark and plant material that formed coal.
Did they drop the dinosaur footprints into the soil as well?
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In a global catastrophe of this type one shold expect thousands of feet of strata to form in a year.
Just where would those sediments come from?
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Creaitonists have evidence tha tradiodecay was accerlated.
Please present this evidence.
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There is vast excess of helium in biotites that should have escaped at the observed temperatures. The actual helium concnetraitons suggest that the supposed billions of years of decay occurred in only a 4,000-14,000 year time frame.
More BS. This argument has been refuted several times on this board in the last year. Where have you been?
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Diffusion is a time dependent phsyical property just as nuclear deay is. It does not support radiodecay having occurred at constant rates.
So is He production by radiodecay. You ARE making this up as you go!
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TB: I will not argue ours is better at this point. We have only spent about 100 serious man-years on this scenario compared to your millions of man-years.
Better get to work.
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The only reason that you think it all happened slowly is radiodecay and a lack of belief in the flood. The actual geometry of the rocks does not actually require or suggest gradualism for any of these processes!
Not. Wrong again! There are a large number or processes that can be seen to occur over long periods of time. Glacial rebound, hydration of glasses, plate tectonics, deep sea sedimentation, just to name a few. Heck, if christian scientists of the 18th century could figure this out, you ought to be able to also.
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