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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Probably some nasty chemistry there, though.
Naw. Just slaked lime and/or triethanolamine and/or caustic soda. All of which they'd throw you under the emergency shower for if you got them on your leg at the lab..... AbE: http://www.nairformen.com/ This message has been edited by Coragyps, 05-02-2006 04:02 PM
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EZscience Member (Idle past 5185 days) Posts: 961 From: A wheatfield in Kansas Joined: |
Wow. I had no idea they had crossed the gender boundary in their product promotion.
The scary part is, there apparently is a market there... (and I am thinking beyond cycling when I say this)
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
EZscience:
EZscience writes: Actually, based on your avitar, I was kinda hoping for a reply from you as well. I know you are addressing the ladies with this post, but as a rather long-in-the-tooth cyclist (>100,000 miles) I have never found much use for shaved legs. Yeah, I have heard it both ways as well (some swear by shaving...others say no). Having only had one serious crash thus far, my basis of comparison is pretty low. However, I will say that at that time I did have hair on my legs and I have to admit, changing the dressing was not such an issue...after I peeled off all the hair during change number one (oooooooouuuch!!). Plus, most of the hair on my leg was already "burned off" from the crash anyway.
EZscience writes: What I have been told is that the healing process is a bit faster if you don't have hair. Why? I'm not sure...it's just that that's what everyone keeps telling me. To me, it does not seem unreasonable to assume that not having all that hair in the wound would be beneficial? Does anyone else have any ideas about this. Personally, if shaving provides no benefit, then I'd be very happy not to do it...especially after reading Trixie's reply.
The idea is that road rash will be less when sliding on pavement with smoother skin (I still don't buy that part) and you will have less discomfort changing dressings on the rash without hair to stick to the bandages.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Hello Omnivorous:
Omnivorous writes: I have on numerous occasion been drunk enough for events such as this to unfold. However, much to my benefit, on each occasion, those that would probably do something like shave my legs, or half my face, or do a reverse mohawk, were as bad off (if not worse) than I...so thus far I have been able to avoid "drunken body alterations". My experience is that if you get drunk with some good buddies and pass out, sooner or later you'll wake up with shaved legs (military circles are especially prone to this). Now, as for your three most common next morning exclamations, I can only confess to number one.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Hi Trixie:
Trixie writes: Not to make you jealous or anything...but I only need to shave every third day or so...and then only cuz I'm getting a bit of stubble I hate to say this, but if you're wanting to shave your legs to stop chafing when cycling, you'd have to do them on the day of the race if your legs are anything like mine. I think I may have hedgehog in my ancestry as they get all prickly within hours. The leg shaving thing for bikers is more of a "healing after a crash" thing, than a comfort thing.
Trixie writes: Hmmmm...I've never thought about the waxing thing. It sounds very painful though.
The alternative would be to wax them. Not a pleasant experience, but the hair grows in much finer and takes about three weeks. I just don't have the nerve to try it. Maybe another female on here can advise you on waxing your legs. Trixie writes: I am somewhat accident prone, so having a razor even remotely close to my "vital area" is not something I'd look forward to. Even if I somehow avoid testicular augmentation, I can virtually guarantee numerous cuts and lots of missed areas. That waxing idea is sounding better and better.
As for shaving, until Percy gets round to doing the experiment, I don't know what would work best for shaving legs. In my own experience, I miss bits, can't quite reach round the back, hack off most of my knees and lift little curly scrolls of skin from my shins which seem to bleed for about a fortnight. Getting round the contours of the ankle bones is almost impossible. Trixie writes: Thank god I didn't have food in my mouth when I read that one cuz it would have ended up all over my monitor and keyboard. Sorry to laugh at your pain...but it sounds like something I would do.
...cold water (don't even contemplate this one - I beheaded all my goosebumps!) Trixie writes: I recently went for a bike ride with a female friend and for reasons I am unaware if...and completely out of the blue...she informed me that she was going to have her hair removed via some sort of laser thingie. She hates shaving and decided to suffer through the process and then be done with hair for good. And while I'm pretty sure she wasn't talking about her legs ()...is that an option you'd consider (on your legs)?
If I had the courage I'd wax and I think that's a cyclist's best option.
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EZscience Member (Idle past 5185 days) Posts: 961 From: A wheatfield in Kansas Joined: |
Flies writes: I've never thought about the waxing thing. It sounds very painful though. Not if it's done properly.My ex-wife used to get 'waxed' once in a while. It is a bit tedious and tricky to do by yourself - she always swore by a professional job, but it wasn't cheap. There is also the danger of burning yourself with the hot wax. On the laser thing, I think it would be very expensive to do for legs. It is usually something they try for women with facial hair. And it is not really permanent.The hair does eventually grow back.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
A little research in the canned shaving cream aisle at WalMart reveals the secret: they all have a liquid soap in them, too. (In addition to a synthetic detergent/foamer like sodium laurel sulfate.) The soap probably is what makes shaving foam creamy-feeling instead of "dry" like dishwashing liquid foam. Gillette uses stearic acid, from tallow, and triethanolamine to make theirs. The Coragyps Research Facility is at your beck and call, Percy, if you want me to submit a couple of formulations - chemical suppliers love to send me free samples of their wares.
"Never tested on animals, except chemists!" - my new motto?
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Have you tried Occam's Razor? Seems to work miracles with hairy problems...
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
I've carried out some experiments (sorry, Trixie, not the ones you wanted) and I have some preliminary results. I've tried two different soaps. One was a Dove shampoo with moisturizer, the other was Ivory Liquid Ultra (the white Ivory Liquid doesn't seem to be available anymore).
First, a little more information about the machine. The machine screams like a banshee, so I assume there are some really high speed beaters inside. It can even make foam out of water, and out of a water/alcohol mix. Okay, on to the experimental results. Both Dove and Ivory displayed the same problem. Though both foam up nicely, nicer than the soap provided for the Campbell machine, once applied the lather collapses into soap film. I'm guessing that the bubbles from these products don't hold up as well as the Campbell product. What foam does survive the application phase quickly degrades to soap film over the course of a minute or two. Increasing the amount of soap mixed into the soap solution results in a modestly thicker initial foam (I think - this was a subtle effect), but it doesn't change the final result. The foam just doesn't hold up, and it has a short lifetime. Both Dove and Ivory produced a less close shave than the Campbell product. So there must be something in the Campbell soap product that helps preserve the bubbles in the foam. What could it be? I have three other soap products that I'm going to try, but I don't hold out much hope at this point. --Percy
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
ROTFLMAO!
I am so sorry. I actually have very little trouble shaving my legs, and do it in the shower with a little soap lather. AND I shave against the hair growth as I find I actually get a closer shave that way.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hair in a wound inhibits healing and acts as an irritant to fragile granulation tissue, and is a possible home for infection-causing bacteria. I'd say trim the edges of your wound if you get one, but don't bother shaving until it appears.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Don't know if you saw Message 39, it got covered over pretty quickly.
One additional experiment this morning revealed that even tripling the amount of soap makes little difference to the foam's persistance, at least for Ivory Liquid Ultra. The foam is so fragile that it drips down the razor's handle, making it slippery. One thought occurs to me. Is it possible that anti-sudsing agents are added to things like shampoo and dishwashing liquid? That might make the bubbles more fragile so that they burst more easily and quickly. I know they do it for dishwasher detergent. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Get rid of dumb looking duplicate signature so no one knows I did it!
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Try adding a little glycerin? (I have no good reason for this)
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5 |
I recall from a marketing analysis of shampoo (don't ask) that a rich lather ranks high on the list of factors that determine consumer satisfaction, so I would expect more suds from shampoo than other liquid soaps. I believe the anti-sudsing agents are added to dishwasher soaps to limit "watermarking" type residue, since its presence on crystal snifters, IIRC, alerts one's guests to the fact that one is uncultured scum.
So you might try some (other) shampoos in your Infernal Shaving Machine. Alternatively, I think Nosy's idea of glycerin makes sense as it might create stronger bubble walls via greater viscosity, though it might also gum up the works (water insoluble, I think?). Edited by Omnivorous, : One word.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
To Nosy and Omni:
Where does one find glycerin? --Percy
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