Gorilla strength

also i have a book called carnivores of the world that claim that cats are the have the most explosive strength of any other carnivorebut ur right a grizzly is stronger than any lion or tiger, but a black bear will be equal in strength with a lion or tigeralso 8 percent of a tigers diet according to steven mills a tiger researcher is bears, so that proves tigers kill and eat bearsalso remerber the korenans how pitted lions and black bears, lol the black bears strength didnt help it their, the lions just simply owned the bears

http://www.findarticles.com/..._qa3775/is_200412/ai_n9469847that site claims cats are the strongest animals for their sizeok this site claims that for their size cats are the strongest carnivores

Hey there welcome to dah forum.You posted so many times that it will take me a while to respond.first, Leopards do not kill fully adult male silverback Gorillas (360-500 lbs range). I've heared of females and babies and younger Gorillas being killed, but i've never seen proof of a Male silverback Gorilla being killed by a leopard. Is there a reputable source that confirms this?Your book "Carnivores" which makes the claim that cats have the greatest "explosive strength" of any carnivore is probably talking about power, which is often confused with strength. Power is in laments terms strength and speed combined to create extra force. Cats have incredible strength and atonishing speed, and combined they can muster extreme power (extra amount of force)But Cats are not as Strong as bears. Unlike cats, the muscles of bears are thick throuhgout the entire forelimb (unlike dogs and cats), and they walked plantigrade (flatfooted) on their back feet and semi-plantigrade on the fore feet, both of which inhibit speed. They have massive limbs, short backs, and heavy, massive paws. Cats cannot compare in strength to bears (see "Bears" by Ian Sterling, pages 50-52.The article is written by Blaire Van Valkenburgh, whose expertise is written on page 236)I'll post more later.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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True, tigers have been known to kill brown bears in asia. But it is mostly cubs or bears that are denning for winter. There was a incident where a tiger (400 lbs) mastered the art of bear hunting, and took down a 800 lbs bear (8 it bagged in all) but it was jumping from behind to bite the neck, not overpowering them, which would be impossible. Indeed, one bear resisted and fought back, and lost miserably during the sturggle, but as for the size, sex, age and health of that particular bear, there is as far as I know no documentation (The book "The last big cats" i believe has this story)As for the "korean pit fights": I've seen one video of such a fight on the internet, though there is no background info on both animals and their health, and I wouldn't make a biology or comparative morphology lesson on it, considering it was a North Korean video and quite mysterious. And of course there is also the odd incident in Mexico where one of the last California Grizzlies was pinned with an african lion, and the Grizzly killed it in a flash ( "The Grizzly Almanac" by Robert H. Busch, page 109)Now a cat that comes awfully close to the strength of a bear the same size as it'self is the Jaguar (my favorite big cat )Their the most robust form of modern cat, in relative terms more powerfully built than lions or tigers. And in a fight, I would think that even a 400 lbs Black bear might be found wanting

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

This site you quoted is interesting, but flawed. A Small Jaguar of the same weight as a Leopard would be stronger (they are more robust in build than leopards)and since bears are stronger than cats, the malayan sun bear (60-145 lbs range) would be stronger than both. Though probably not by a whole lot when considering the muscle-bound Jaguar LOL! I skimmed your web source a while back, but I didn't see any credentials of the author of the text, nor if it said if he was an expert on cats or comparative bear-cat anatomy.I'll see if I can come up with some info about the author of that internet text.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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Having said all the above, African lions are capable of killing even vast Grizzlies, and it involves a kind of trickery.I saw on a nature documentary an African lion circling around a warthog. It was almost like a dance, and the Lion was circling to get to an opening to strike the hog from behind. It was too dangerous to confront face to face (their tucks can easily cut through lion flesh). Then an opening came about and the Lion pounced on the hogs back, biting the neck. Coup de grace.A African male Lion might do the same thing even to a 1760 lbs brown bear, though it is not known for sure if the Lion would succeed in doing so.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

also i never said a grizzly isnt stronger than a lion lb for lbi just said that at equal weights a black bear would be ONLY ALLITTLE STRONGER THAN A LIONalso tigers unlike lions are more cautios animals which means a tiger is much less likely to charge straight at a bear, where as an aggressive lion will just charge at it and probally get killedalso leopards dont usually prey on silverbacks, however a male lion would own a silverbackalso regarding those korean pit fights, the placed lions with tigers, and the lions dominated the tigers, then they used lions and grizzlies and the lion suppossedly dominated the grizzlies

ALSO LIONS HAVE THE STRONGEST PAW SWIPE OF ANY BIG CAT

ALSO LIONS ARE DEFINATELY MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN ANY BEAR, READ THE BOOK THE HUNTER WITH THE MOON, A MALE LION CHARGED INTO A CLAN OF 21 HYENAS, AND THE MALE LION KILLED 10 HYENAS BEFORE DIEING, NOW THATS IMPRESSIVE

This is a very detailed response. I've tried to get very specific and answer several of your questions.There are several factors we need to look at when considering the strength of a gorilla compared to a human:1) Neurological efficiency.
2) Types of Muscle Fibers available (I, IIA, IIB).
3) Joint, Tendon, bone structure (this was mentioned by one member).
4) Insertion points (this was discussed by one member). This is related to the leverages of the muscle attachments.
5) Muscle Belly Length (Longer Muscles are better).
5) Muscle mass (this was mentioned).
7) Motivation.Gorillas are not built exactly like human beings and comparing their strength to human beings requires some guesswork. Gorillas, like most other primates, have an upper body structure built for certain types of powerful movements. They would struggle to play the piano or manipulate small objects, but they could bend a license plate a lot easier than most humans.We are built for fine motor skills and moderate amounts of power (ie. throwing with accuracy). As mentioned by another poster, gorillas have better leverages than humans in their arms. Pound for pound, a large part of their muscle mass is in their arms, shoulder, back and chest. Their total muscle mass per pound of bodyweight isn't that much different than humans though. But then again, that's because they have such heavy bones and because their lower bodies have less proportionate muscle mass.Guessing how much they could actually bench press is very difficult. I've never heard a report describing the distribution of fast twitch fibers in a gorilla, although I expect it to be extremely high in the arms and upper back. Moreover, we don't know how well a gorilla’s nervous system works when it recruits muscle fibers. During an adrenaline rush humans can sometimes exert forces that will break their bones. This means that we have the POTENTIAL for moments of great strength-- even if we are skinny.You see, humans have weaker bones and so our nervous system generally prevents us from recruiting all our muscle fibers for a single movement. If it didn't we would break ourselves! A gorilla has bones that are very thick, so it wouldn't have to have nearly as strong of an inhibitory response. A gorilla can probably recruit a lot more fibers in the upper body whenever it wants to. Some humans that are gifted in strength sports have a high distribution of fast twitch fibers and great neurological efficiency. This is probably far more common amongst silverback gorillas.So let's look at these factors. A big silverback gorilla has more mass in its arms, chest, shoulders etc. than even very large human beings. It probably has a lot of fast Twitch fibers in these areas. Its upper body has bone structure, insertion points, long muscle bellies and excellent tendon/ligament structure designed for brute strength movements. Its bones are built to protect it during power movements and hence it probably doesn't have nearly as strong of an inhibitory response when it engages in power movements.
Considering these factors, it’s obvious that a gorilla is VERY STRONG in the upper body, for certain movements.But does this mean a gorilla can lift 4,000 lbs over its head? Hell no. To me, that sounds like fantasy. The gorilla is not designed for pressing things over its head. It's designed for pulling, bending, and grabbing things. Just look at its anatomy.Considering the above factors you could safely say that a silverback gorilla is 4 or 5 times stronger than a healthy and well built human male (IN THOSE TYPES OF MOVEMENTS) but not when it comes to doing things that require movements that are not natural for a gorilla. Again, a gorilla could bend things very easily. It could snap things, tear things and grab things with crushing force. It could probably rip a telephone book in half without much practice. Its power in these movements would be truly scary compared to a human.However, I wouldn't be surprised if a professional world class power lifter could bench press more than an untrained gorilla. True, the gorilla would have far more potential than an average human at the bench press, but nobody knows how well the gorilla could do in a bench press if it was trained. Sorry, but I wouldn't be surprised if a silverback struggled to get past 500 pounds. I also wouldn't be surprised if it managed to do 2,000 pounds. We just don't know.As explained, there are too many factors involved. We don't know how all the factors listed above would work together for the gorilla, in this type of movement.This is about as honest and accurate of an answer you will get.One thing we do know is that chimpanzees have been tested in pulling, gripping and dead lifting movements and they exceeded untrained humans by several times (per pound of bodyweight)-- as much as 4 times or even more.The Guinness book of World Records once estimated that a silverback gorilla could dead lift 1,800 (based on the results of the tests on Chimps). They stated that this would POSSIBLY be true if the silverback was trained. The world record for the dead lift by the strongest human on the planet is around 900 lbs. These estimates are believable and realistic, but there is still a lot of guessing involved.Notice that these are pulling movements and gripping movements, not pressing movements. Pressing 4000 pounds above the head is unrealistic.It's much easier to get these animals to do pulling and grabbing types of movements because they are built for them and they come naturally.By the way, people have actually competed Grizzly bears against lions and the Grizzly Bears almost always won. Grizzly bears were also pitted against bulls and they usually won. Grizzly bears would break the backs of these other animals.But that's rather violent and repulsive. I'd rather compare their brute strength and power, not which animal can kill the other.

Dont have much time...1. Blackbears are definitely far stronger than lions or tigers of the same weight, as themsnencarta source i posted a link to in an ealier post showed (and I quote, "Bears are far stronger than other carnivores")2. A lion would not own a Gorilla. A 530 lbs male lion vs a 400 or possibly 500 lbs Gorilla would not be quick. The Gorilla could indeed possibly rip apart the lion's jaw. I think the Gorilla would win, though it could really go either way.3. I doubt that the lions dominated Grizzlies. Unless they did the circle trick, the bears would smash them. You didn't post a source.

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um no i posted sources that claim that cats are stronger, also grizzlies being the strongest propotionatly strongest bear, is stronger than any cat, but black bears being the weakest lb for lb BEAR , IS only allittle stronger than a lion, also you think a gorrilla would win lol, first of all gorrillas rarely reach 500lbs its extremely rare, as yes a 500lb lion is rare but certaintly more common than a gorrilla, anyway the male lion would winalso in the wild the bear would definately flee from a lion, male lions are insanely aggressive more aggressive than any bear, also the book england mengerie circuses, has a chapter about a a staged animal fight, during the 19th century, in which a 500lb lion fought a 850lb grizzly, the book describes the lion as being bolder and more aggressive, and inflicting horrific damage on the bear, until eventually, the lion made a wrong move, and was killed, however the bear died of his injuries. So knowing that, i would say that a black bear has no chance, if a 500lb lion can kill a 850lb grizzly, than a 500lb black bear is definately screwed

and also i posted a link and a book that claimed that cats are the strongest carnivores

also these calfornia grizzlies that killed the lions, were huge old wild west grizzlies, and i can post many sources claiming this, these bears were 1000- 1200 on average and a large one can weigh a tonne, they are exctinct no because of the american settlers during the gold rush, so obviously a 1200lb grizzly would own any lion, but at equal or almost similiar weights, the lion would destroy the bear.

Yes, you quoted sources that said that cats are stronger, but I showed they where false. The articles in the msnencarta and the book "Bears" where written by bear experts who are knowledgable in the sciences and have degrees in it. I didn't see the same for yours.You also didn't post anything to show that American Black Bears are the weakest lb for lb of any bear.Gorillas average 400 lbs, and the same actually goes for Lions (see "Smithsonian Institution: Animal" page 215 under the article on lions. Read "Male and Female" subsection on same page)Gorillas also average 400 lbs (page 18 of "Gorillas: A portrait of the animal world" by Jill M. Caravan)

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4