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Author Topic:   design evidence #320,098,754: the crossover food and air tubes in humans
Peter
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Message 15 of 34 (32017)
02-12-2003 4:59 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by DanskerMan
02-07-2003 3:09 PM


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Man, this designing is easy when you're absolutely all-powerful. God sure did mess up big time.
Don't worry, you will have the opportunity to tell that to His face....
So are you saying that it is, in fact, a well designed feature
or that God cannot take criticism?

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Peter
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Message 19 of 34 (32079)
02-13-2003 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by DanskerMan
02-13-2003 12:20 AM


What has criticising God's designs got to do with arguing with him?
Have you ever seen a poorly thrown pot?
Isn't the poor design evident in human bodies (given a
creationist worldview) ample evidence that god is just
as error prone as the pinnacle of his creation (i.e. man)
and therefore the level of his wisdom is questionable?
Given that many humans can present better design options
than are actually seen in nature (for some features at least)
isn't it better for believers to accept a theistic evolution
in which god placed the pieces and let them develop according to
his rules?
The alternative being to accept an imperfect god.

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Peter
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Message 34 of 34 (32644)
02-19-2003 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by DanskerMan
02-13-2003 10:51 AM


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I have yet to see a human come up with a better design than God.
How many have you viewed, and what criterion do you use in
your assessment?
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Perhaps, you would care to describe something that you feel is better, I am very curious how and what that would be.
On a general level it is fairly trivial to show that the
current arrangement is inadequate.
The functions of ingesting food/drink and of the intake
of air are independent.
The larynx, as it exists, requires an air-flow to make
sounds.
Air intake is a safety critical function. If the air intake is
impededed for more than a few minutes (at most) severe damage
or death can be caused.
Food/drink intake is safety critical, as above, but the time
scale is somewhat longer (days).
Any system which has a single point of failure for TWO
independent safety critical systems cannot be considered
well-designed.
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Feel free to present an alternate design to our larynx, providing all the current functions whilst removing the choking hazard.
Provide independent air and food/drink intake orifices, and you
could still use the rest of the current design.
Take a radical, from scratch, approach to designing these functions
and I'm sure most people could provide something workable, that
avoids the problem.
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The alternate is NOT an imperfect God, just imperfect man who persists in his/her folly.
The issue is not really that a better design could be put forward,
but that the current arrangement is not optimal. There are
failure modes which would be unacceptable in a safety critical
design process.
If god designed this arrangement, he did so in a sub-optimal
manner which would suggest that he is imperfect.

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