Gorilla strength

also i never said delta lions are the biggest ever, u misunderstood me the eurasian cave lion and american lion, and barbary, and cape are larger, i meant largest non exctinct lion, which is definately the tsaro

Yes, you showed me a website that said that California Grizzlies averaged 900-1200 lbs. Yet you seem to forget that you admitted that female California Grizzlies where quite smaller in a previous post.And my source came from the california department of fish and game. You haven't debunked it.

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No, your wrong. They where in the 300-1200 lbs range. You have to count the females.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Oh, so despite the credentials and biology knowledge of the bear experts, they pale in comparison to Paul Franco, BECAUSE HE IS PAUL FRANCO?!Truth: Bears have massivly thick limsb with muscles that are thick throughout the entire limb, unlike cats and dogs. Bears have cumbersome paws, walk in a plantigrade fashion (feet flat while walking. Hind paws fully plantigrade, fore feet semi plantigrade. Plantigrade is not for animals who are built for speed. Cats and Dogs have Digitgrade feet, ie they walk on toes instead of flat footed. That's good for speed. Bears are not as fast as dogs and cats)Bears alos have a short, stiff back, and a greater, more rubust build.In short: Bears are built more for strength than speed. Plus they have very flexible forelimbs.You can read this in "Bears" by Ian Sterling, the pages I wrote before, written by Blaire Van Valkenburgh, professor of biology who specializes in vertebrate morphology, emphasis in mamalian predators
(Page 236 of "Bears" by Ian Sterling)
My Other sources should seffice in more info.

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This website should explain more.Page not found | American Bear Association

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Another book, by Bjorn Kurten (Late proffessor of Paleontology university of Helsinki, Finland) called "The Innocent Assassins" tells about a sabre-tooth Nimravid (Ancient cat like animal) that was super robust. He states on page 128, and I quote:the Barbourofelis was powerfully built. It reminds you more of a bear or a gigantic badger more than a cat.The sabretoothed cat Smilodon is said to have a similar build on page 133 of the same book, saying that they and sabretooths like them where usually powerfully built and had short legs, but where not the fastest runner (as opposed to other sabretooths like HomotheriumIf they wheren't great runners, what where they built to do? What was their bodies made for? Strength is the answer. And since their build is like bears and badgers, that tells you that, unlike modern cats, bears are lb for lb stronger than them. Heck, Badgers in relative terms may be stronger than both.Dont get me wrong: I try not to be rude in posts. I'm just trying to show you the biological truth that bears are far stronger than cats (modern type).Now power is different, as well as agility and fighting prowess. Some cats could indeed outfight some bears, maybe even ones far larger (Jaguars, Lions).But Grizzlies would own 'em (Jags an exception )even if the same size in a front encounter. Lions could circle them though.

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Here is video of an actual fight between a mountain lion and a grizzly bear. Notice that the mountain lion hardly hurt the grizzly, but this particular grizzly wasn't really in the mood for a fight. An aggressive grizzly would have really been dangerous.It's not just a matter of the stronger beast, it's also a matter of the motivation and gameness.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MuFDVEUro&search=grizzl...

first of all the bear in that video was 5 times the size of the female mountain lion so u cant compare thatalso wow u are on crack, david minquelle the leading biolioligist of the wcs[ wildlife connservation society]claims in his books, that because bears have reduced collarbones that cats are far stronger lb for lb than bears, and trust me he knows alot more than u, also elephants and hippotamusses are digitgrade, and a hipp is much stronger lb for lb than a bear lol

also why would they put a female grizzly vs a male lion, especially since the grizzly is the calfornia state animal, they surely would have used the largest male grizzlies to represent their state, also since the lion is called the king of the beasts, the people, would certaintly have used the largest grizzlyes, because of the lions false reputation, so the grizzly was 900-1200lbs meaning it was an unfair fight

wat are u talking about in a frontal encounter the lion would prevail, at equal weights, male lions aignt cautious animals, they would never do the circle trick unless the animal was far larger than itself, so a male lion would certaintly frontally attack a equal size bear

this is wat david miquelle lead bioliogist of the wildlife conservation society, he studied siberian tigers and brown bears,
because of a bears reduced collarbones, they do not have the strength potential of ugulates and big cats

that web site i posted claims that siberian tigers, can defeat 650lb brown bears in fights, and since 650 is larger than an average siberian tiger, that proves that in equal weights fights the cats beat bears

also the reason that cougar in that video didnt hurt the grizzly, is because the grizzly is 5 times her size, but even though the grizzly is 5 times larger it still ran away, so picture if a 500lb male lion fought a 500lb grizzly, the grizzly would run away so fast, but even if it stayed, the lion would beat the bear, as bears are no match for cats at equal weight fights

Interspecies conflict. Which animal is the ultimate carnivore?I believe in evidence, not conjecture. All I know is what the link you provided implies; it implies that large grizzly bears can defeat normal sized male lions.We don't know, with absolute certainty, how a 400 lb. grizzly would do against a 400 lb. lion. Moreover, that's not a fair comparison because fully matured and large grizzlies are built differently than immature and/or smaller grizzlies. Finally, strength is determined by cross sectional muscle mass, not volume. Smaller animals are pound for pound generally stronger than larger animals.As a result, to make it a fair fight you need to scale up the lion, not scale down the grizzly. This will slow the lion down, decrease its agility and change its bone structure.A healthy and strong LIGER would be more equal in size to a big grizzly. This is the fight you should really be imagining. I have no idea which animal would win or which would truly be stronger, pound for pound.Edited by psaghafi, : No reason given.Edited by psaghafi, : No reason given.Edited by psaghafi, : No reason given.

first off coastal brown bears average 800lbsinland grizzlies only average 550lbs and i have sources to prove this, so considering delta lions average 500lbs i think a 500lb delta lion vs a 550lb inland grizzly would be a close matchof course a large 850lb grizzly would beat any lion