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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
randman writes: My experiences with the RR is that this group of people cares more about people.... Do they care about gay people who want to get married?
... and children.... Do they care about children getting a useful education instead of creationist claptrap? If that's all the "experience" you have, you need to get out more. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
They care about gay people, but much of the religious right thinks homosexuality is a sin and so their form of caring may come off as bigotry to others, as the caring of someone from the RR could be to try to help the gay individual to renounce his homosexuality and seek therapy and help from God in becoming heterosexual or perhaps asexual.
But it's a complicated issue. There are also plenty that think homosxuality is wrong, but at the same time, have gay friends just as they have non-Christian friends or friends with various sins, and so they would help the gay friend just the same and maybe never bring up the gay issue with them. There are still others that may doubt whether homosexuality is wrong, and others still that think homosexuality is OK, that homosexuals are borne that way, and that the scriptural condemnations of homosexuality are the result of cultural attitudes being added with more godly and divine thoughts (the idea being the Bible contains the word of God but is not all the word of God).
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
randman writes: ... the caring of someone from the RR could be to try to help the gay individual to renounce his homosexuality and seek therapy and help from God in becoming heterosexual or perhaps asexual. So I could show "caring" for a religious-right-winger by "helping" him to renounce his false religion and seeking therapy and help from God in becoming liberal or perhaps apolitical?
... they would help the gay friend just the same and maybe never bring up the gay issue with them. It isn't about bringing up the "gay issue" with your friends. It's about oppressing all gay people by denying them the rights that everybody else enjoys.
There are still others that may doubt whether homosexuality is wrong, and others still that think homosexuality is OK, that homosexuals are borne that way, and that the scriptural condemnations of homosexuality are the result of cultural attitudes being added with more godly and divine thoughts (the idea being the Bible contains the word of God but is not all the word of God). Are you still talking about the religious right? If so, they should be speaking out against the oppression espoused by their brethern. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
So I could show "caring" for a religious-right-winger by "helping" him to renounce his false religion and seeking therapy and help from God in becoming liberal or perhaps apolitical? You could be, but imo, you would be misguided, but that's the good thing about a free country. People can have differing opinions and don't have to resort to denigrating the other person's motives.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
randman writes: People can have differing opinions and don't have to resort to denigrating the other person's motives. But that's exactly what the religious right is doing - not only denigrating the motives of those who disagree with them but actively campaigning to oppress gays, children, etc. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
They are not oppressing anyone. That's just BS.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
randman writes: They are not oppressing anyone. Denying rights is not oppression? Forcing ignorance on children is not oppression? What definition of "oppression" are you using? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...which causes them to limit many of my and others' freedoms on the basis of their religious beliefs. I call that oppression.
quote: When it is oppression, I call it oppression. There is no reasonable secular legal, constitutional reason to block the release of emergency contraception. The only reason to block it is to impose one's own religious views upon everyone else.
quote: ...to provide services that everyone uses and needs, like the military, infrastructure like roads, police and firefighers and EMT's, national wilderness areas and parklands, public schools, etc. I would be happy to pay MORE taxes if the rich paid their fair share. But they currently do not pay their fair share. Their overall tax burden as a percentage of their income is proportionaltely lower than what the middle class pays.
quote: If rich people paid their fair share of taxes, the middle class and the poor wouldn't be getting poorer like they are now, and the right wouldn't be able to be continuing to become richer, like they are now.
quote: That is hardly the same kind of thing and you know it.
quote: If there were a small group of Conservative, radical Jews that became powerful in the US, and they started to pass laws which restricted the sale of pork, would you consider them to be oppressing the majority of US citizens who dod not follow Jewish dietary laws?
quote: Motive matters not at all in deciding if it is oppression or not. Those nice Jewish people I mentioned above just want all of us to follow God's law. They are doing us a favor by banning all pork in the US. They are only concerned about our eternal souls, so it's not oppression. Right?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
So confiscating your money, limiting what you can do, etc, etc,....is not oppression, but somehow trying to protect babies from being brutally murdered is?
There's not much more to discuss shraf. imo, the RR is fighting for basic human rights, such as the right to live, and you are fighting for the right to continue to brutally slaughter babies that are viable outside of the womb, and want to confiscate poor people's retirement money (FICA) and waste it on government programs, defraud black landowners in SC for open space requirements and other "oppressive measures", if such political differences count as oppression. Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
No rights are being denied whatsoever. That's total crap.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
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Edited by schrafinator, : double post
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
If there were a small group of Conservative, radical Jews that became powerful in the US, and they started to pass laws which restricted the sale of pork, would you consider them to be oppressing the majority of US citizens who do not follow Jewish dietary laws?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
No rights are being denied whatsoever. The right of a person to marry the person of his or her choice is being denied. Good-hearted people are trying to remedy that situation, just as they tried to remedy the whites-only bathroom situation a few decades ago. The religious right is working hard to keep the discrimination entrenched. The religious right is also trying to deny children the right to a good education by forcing creationist drivel into the schools. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Did you see the rally they had recently in London? I saw all the posters. Most of them said," Islam is the religion of the world". Anyone who insults Islam will be executed.
What do you read in Surah 33-35? Does it not tell you what you should do to the Infidels? The suicide bombers on 911 read Koran before murdering 3000 innocent people on 911.You can deny the facts. Look around the world. Wherever there is irrational murder, there is always a muslim behind this. All muslims are not terrorists. But, all Terrorists are Muslims. Is this not true? Whether you like it or not, atime is coming when we all the non muslims will be asked to convert to Islam. If we refused, our heads would be cut off. This day is coming.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
inkorrect writes: Wherever there is irrational murder, there is always a muslim behind this. Was Hitler a Muslim? Was Jeffrey Dahmer a Muslim? Was Timothy McVeigh a Muslim?
... all Terrorists are Muslims. Is this not true? Obviously not. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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