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ReverendDG
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Message 11 of 37 (346150)
09-02-2006 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Christian7
09-01-2006 9:09 PM


I often hear people state that reality is based upon our perception, as if it is a construct of our senses. What then, are our senses a construct of? Are not our senses part of reality?
its an interesting question, my question for you though is what do you mean by reality? reality isn't the physical universe in how we use the word, reality is what we percepive as the physical world and define it as according to our senses. our senses are our filters of what we define as reality, so no they arn't really part of reality in the same way as what we sense
In this post I would like to propose the idea that reality is absolute, that no matter how our consciousness percieves it, it is as it is.
i have to disagree with you, reality can't be absolute because then every psycotic person with some sort of mental disorder is right and shouldn't be on drugs and are normal, but we know they arn't or they wouldn't think zombies wern't out to eat thier brains
what you mean isn't reality, but the physical nature of the universe, which isn't really the samething. we call the physical world reality since it is reality to us, but blind people might consider the dark reality or the guy that thinks his dilusions are real

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ReverendDG
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Message 28 of 37 (347892)
09-10-2006 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by ikabod
09-03-2006 4:32 AM


your words could be taken to imply that reality has to be percived in some manner ... this would imply no perception = no reality .... does this mean you would accept no life , thus no perception , thus no reality .. ie the universe did not exsits as part of reality until some life form first perceved it .. which begs the question how basic can this perception be , bacterial ?? a tree , a sheep , a chimp , a human ....
no, what i'm saying is reality is just a word that we use to relate to the universe, reality isn't a thing its what we define by our minds as the thing, maybe my word usage was a bit confusing, reality includes a lot of things, but the OP considers reality an absolute but its not really what he thinks it is. what i was pointing out is if it is absolute then we are in some nutcases crazy delusion then, since this is that persons reality.
the physical universe doesn't need us to exist to exist, but you need people to have a reality, since it is perception of the physical by lifes senses
is this the case ??
i hope this makes sense

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ReverendDG
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Message 29 of 37 (347894)
09-10-2006 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Brad McFall
09-03-2006 10:36 PM


Re: real perception of sense
By the way a mud turtle I have from S. Carolina has FOUR projections from its lower jaw and these might be used specifically as seperated in space to actually sense the SAME reality that I have defined with my human ability.
so does the turtle have color vision with a blind spot, and stand between 5-6 feet? does it have clam-like shaped ears to hear the same as a human?
i don't think i've ever heard of a turtle like that, they useally don't see far and hear that well or are very large
as i said, reality is not the same thing as the physical universe, its a perception of the physical universe, they really arn't the same.
our senses change our reality in little ways, it may sound strange to people, but we tend to use words for things that really don't mean what people think they do.
i guess its a matter of what we mean by reality

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