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ringo

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Message 25 of 37 (346985)
09-06-2006 2:03 PM

Reply to: Message 24 by Phat
09-06-2006 5:18 AM

Re: Does reality require an observer?

Phat writes:

This is like saying that the refrigerator light may stay on when we shut the door!

I put my cat in there to find out. Now she knows but she won't tell me.

Either it does or it does not.

False dichotomy. How do you know that your light isn't entangled with mine?

Just because we are not observing something does not mean that the event is not happening.

Unless somebody observes it and communicates the observation to you, how can you know?

If God exists, then He is the observer that allows verification of creation.

So, how does God communicate His observations to us - in a reproducible way?

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Message 27 of 37 (347006)
09-06-2006 3:20 PM

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09-06-2006 2:28 PM

Re: Does reality require an observer?

1.61803 writes:

Perhaps the Universe is more like a mind (of God) than a thought or observation.

That works for me.

But communication between differents parts of the "mind" don't seem to be very effective.

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Message 34 of 37 (348096)
09-11-2006 11:00 AM

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09-11-2006 6:34 AM

Re: Does reality require an observer?

Phat writes:

Ive never seen a star talk to another star.

If a star was "talking" to another star, how would you know?

Isn't that the point of this topic? How can we "know" anything outside our own perception?

It took a long time for us to realize that the bees' dance was a form of communication. It took a long time for us to realize that whales have sophisticated long-range communication networks.

The supposed lack of communication is based on our perception.

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