Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,913 Year: 4,170/9,624 Month: 1,041/974 Week: 368/286 Day: 11/13 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Every Knee
nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 5 of 40 (34994)
03-23-2003 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Jesuslover153
03-22-2003 3:37 PM


Re: ask yourself
Yes, but what does Evolution have to do with God?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 4 by Jesuslover153, posted 03-22-2003 3:37 PM Jesuslover153 has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 6 by funkmasterfreaky, posted 03-23-2003 5:08 PM nator has replied

  
nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 8 of 40 (35065)
03-24-2003 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by funkmasterfreaky
03-23-2003 5:08 PM


Re: ask yourself
Wow, does that mean that I should pray to God to cure genetic disease, or is it a better bet to rely on science and evolutionary theory to understand genetic disease?
I wonder which one will yield better results?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 6 by funkmasterfreaky, posted 03-23-2003 5:08 PM funkmasterfreaky has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 9 by Satcomm, posted 03-24-2003 10:31 AM nator has replied
 Message 16 by funkmasterfreaky, posted 03-25-2003 6:45 PM nator has replied

  
nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 13 of 40 (35098)
03-24-2003 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Satcomm
03-24-2003 10:31 AM


Re: ask yourself
quote:
Actually, science and medicine are two of the many tools that God inspires and works through.
Fine if you want to think that, but science and medicine were bitterly opposed by the Church for a long time.
It's also true that science and medicine work just fine; in fact, work much better, without religion or God in the content.
quote:
And yes, he does have the capability of curing a genetic disease.
No kidding! You have evidence of this work of God, then?
Let's see it!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 9 by Satcomm, posted 03-24-2003 10:31 AM Satcomm has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 15 by Jesuslover153, posted 03-24-2003 2:37 PM nator has replied

  
nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 18 of 40 (35298)
03-26-2003 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 2:37 PM


Re: ask yourself
quote:
You say that the church was against science.. but yet most science originates from with believers...
The Church tried hard to squelch any ideas, including science, which it perceived as threatening it's absolute authority to dictate the reality of the universe and nature. Remember what happened to Galileo?
It was only religious people, in general, who were wealthy and educated enough to think about science; it was mostly only religious people who had access to books, or were literate, for instance. So, it's no surprise that early scientific thought came from them.
Also, it was not wise at that time to question the existence of God or the veracity of the Catholic Church; it could get you imprisoned, or exiled, or worse.
Remember also that science really begins with the Ancients, who were polytheistic.
quote:
certainly certain parts of the church oppose science but probably a larger portion support it...
That is true now, but it was only recently that the Pope accepted evolution and pardoned Galileo. The Church is only a couple of hundred years behind modern scientific thought.
quote:
You speak from a limited understanding...
I do?
quote:
science is not evolutionism, and science is not creationism, but science is science... evolution and creationism are explanations.
Except that Creationism is not really an explanation. Creationism just says "Godidit" and explains nothing.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 15 by Jesuslover153, posted 03-24-2003 2:37 PM Jesuslover153 has not replied

  
nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 19 of 40 (35299)
03-26-2003 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by funkmasterfreaky
03-25-2003 6:45 PM


Re: ask yourself
I went into anaphylactic shock and almost died from a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting when I was 6 years old.
By your reasoning, it was a waste of time, money, and pain for my parents to take me to get an allergy shot once a week for an entire year so my body would not overreact to honeybee venom and kill me.
We all should have just prayed about it.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by funkmasterfreaky, posted 03-25-2003 6:45 PM funkmasterfreaky has not replied

  
nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 20 of 40 (35303)
03-26-2003 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Jesuslover153
03-24-2003 2:31 PM


Re: ask yourself
quote:
there are numerous thousands of miracles happening everyday over all the earth... I have read so many accounts of the miraculous power of Jesus Christ that I can not even begin to start...
I pray to God that he open your eyes, certainly that he remove the blinders from your eyes that have masked you from this.
Here is one you can start with .. Chicken Soup for the Soul.. any of them will have repleat accounts of miraculous powers... here is another, certainly you have a Pentecostal church in your area, go and talk to some of there people and certainly you will find that even in your own community there have been miracles... Look up Charles S. Price... you don't have to look very far.. ask your family members which are Christians...
And just so you know I do not subscribe to any particualar denomination, we are all but the body directed by the head(Jesus the Christ) to move.
there are numerous thousands of abductions happening everyday over all the earth... I have read so many accounts of the technologically-advanced power of space aliens that I can not even begin to start...
I implore the aliens that they open your eyes, certainly that they remove the blinders from your eyes that have masked you from this.
Here is one you can start with .. "Abduction".. any of them will have repleat accounts of technologically advanced powers... here is another, certainly you have a alien abduction support group in your area, go and talk to some of there people and certainly you will find that even in your own community there have been abductions... Look up John Mack, PhD... you don't have to look very far.. ask your family members which are abductees...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by Jesuslover153, posted 03-24-2003 2:31 PM Jesuslover153 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 24 by Jesuslover153, posted 03-26-2003 10:55 PM nator has replied

  
nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 32 of 40 (35778)
03-30-2003 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Jesuslover153
03-26-2003 10:55 PM


Re: ask yourself
there are numerous thousands of encounters with faries happening everyday over all the earth... I have read so many accounts of the fairy dust power of fairies that I can not even begin to start...
I implore the fairies that they open your eyes, certainly that they remove the blinders from your eyes that have masked you from this.
Here is one you can start with "Lady Cottington's Pressed Fairy Book" .. .. any of them will have repleat accounts of fairies and their wonderouspowers... here is another, certainly you have a Society for Creative Anachronism club in your area, go and talk to some of there people and certainly you will find that even in your own community there have been fairy sightings... Look up Sir Arthur Conan Doyle... you don't have to look very far.. ask your family members which have seen fairies...
[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 03-30-2003]

This message is a reply to:
 Message 24 by Jesuslover153, posted 03-26-2003 10:55 PM Jesuslover153 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 34 by Jesuslover153, posted 03-30-2003 3:26 PM nator has not replied
 Message 40 by Peter, posted 04-23-2003 6:08 AM nator has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024