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Author | Topic: John A. (Salty) Davison - The Case For Instant Evolution | |||||||||||||||||||||||
John A. Davison  Inactive Member |
I was going to scientific conferences when most of you were in diapers or perhaps yet to be conceived. Do you think Einstein or Mendel got their brainstorms at scientific conferences? Quite the contrary, they were able to see the truth because they were not exposed to the GROUPTHINK that characterize scientific conferences and academe generally, not to mention certain forums which will of course remain unidentified. salty
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5903 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, before you leave evcforum in disgust or head to Stockholm, I'd appreciate it if you'd answer the questions and address the evidence I posted for you in message number 85 of this thread. Thanks.
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John A. Davison  Inactive Member |
My quarrel is not with the administrators but with some of the participants who cannot refrain from personal insults. I have tried very hard to limit my criticisms to neoDarwinism, not to those who adhere to it. Scott Page seems to imagine himself as the self appointed "defender of the one true faith". salty
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John A. Davison  Inactive Member |
Dear Schrafinator. Since when do I not believe in evolution? I guess what you mean is I don't believe in the Darwinian version. You bet I don't. salty
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John A. Davison  Inactive Member |
The only question Q asked was what I mean by all-or-none. I simply mean for example that a chromosomal segment has either undergone an inversion or it hasn't. Does that do it for you? salty
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derwood Member (Idle past 1907 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote: Wrong. In fact, I did read it and I commented on it earlier in this thread. It is clear that you simply ignore the bulk of posts directed at you. You provide no explanation whatsoever for the "Origin of Bioogical Information". As such, the title of that essay is disingenuous. Rivista, it seems, is not exactly a clearinghouse for high falutin science. Seems more like an outlet for malcontents. Again - what is it now, like 5 times? - we can all see that you are refusing to address simple, straightforward questions. This is a DISCUSSION board, not a 'direct the masses to my high-and-mighty-yet-unheard-of papers' board. Please simply engage in DISCUSSION, not ego stroking.
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derwood Member (Idle past 1907 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote: From the Terry board: "I am happy to report that I have not lost my capacity to inflame Darwinian mystics."
quote: Oh, thank you oh great scientist and admirer of Robert Broom! Scientists can be enlightened by reasoned discourse and EVIDENCE. Repeated assertions and claims of some obscure anti-Darwinists "agreeing" with you is not all that impressive.quote: Please cite me wherein I have claimed to be supporting a 'cause.' As your 'cause' is, in your own words, to "inflame Darwinists" , you seem to be doing a top-notch job.So, do you intend to DISCUSS anything, or are you content to simpy re-assert and blabber on about 'nobody read my papers(sic)!'? quote: Muzzle me? For asking you to answer questions? And you said that I was intolerant? Amazing...
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derwood Member (Idle past 1907 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote: This is false. I have read your "Ontogeny..." essay. I have read parts of your "manifesto...".You can keep writing this (as I am sure you will - standard creationist fare to whine that all others have not bowed down to your superior scientific acumen), but it will still be false. Have you read mine? No? Gee - what does that make you?
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derwood Member (Idle past 1907 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
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derwood Member (Idle past 1907 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote: So the fact that creationist "moderators" are so quick to threaten and ban people that disprove cretinism really means that they are iunsecure about their beliefs?
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derwood Member (Idle past 1907 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote:... then he can't run back to Terry's board and cry 'Martyrdom!'
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derwood Member (Idle past 1907 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote: This IS interesting - Davison is trying to blame me for the fact that he can't or won't support his claims. I have been responding in kind. Of course, I am doing no such thing. I am trying - unsuccessfully, it seems - to get you to actually DISCUSS something, rather than just engage in these short, insulting, content-free dodges that seem to be your calling card. I and others have asked simple, straightforward questions about your claims, and you have seen to it that these simple questions are ignored or, at best, we are admonisshed to 'read your papers.' Problem is, your 'papers' don't contain the answers. That is the point. Take your claims regarding human v. chimp karyotype. You claim that there are on the order of a dozen differences. I ask for them. You refuse. I ask again, stating that I see only one karyotypic difference. You insult me but deign not to actually address the issue. And that type of behaviour from you is typical - and not just on this forum. That you are now trying to clai that you are all about the science and that I am the cause for your nastiness is something else - I don't know if I find iut comical or grotesque. Probably a little of both. You can play your little martyr game, but you are not fooling anyone. At least I answer questions put to me and support my "matter of fact" statements with something other than simply writing it again or claiming that some other scientist agrees with me. Can't you?
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John A. Davison  Inactive Member |
Scott, now that you have vented, do you feel better? I'm afraid if I try to reply, you may come down with thundering apoplexy. I don't want that to happen I want you to go right on defending Darwinism in your own inimitable fashion. Keep up the good work. I am truly sorry for you that they haven't banned me yet. It is obvious that is what you deeply desire. salty
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Could I suggest that another thread be started, preferably in the Free For All forum, to discuss the debating techniques of the participants? That way this thread can more readily stay on-topic.
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John A. Davison  Inactive Member |
Scott, cretinism is due to a thyroid defect. Are you by any chance equating creationism with cretinism? salty
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