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Author Topic:   There Has Forever Been A Universe
crashfrog
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Message 21 of 24 (35354)
03-26-2003 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
03-25-2003 8:49 PM


buzsaw writes:
I believe that God exists, sitting on a thing called a throne, which exists, in a place/location called Heaven which is located in the universe.
Do you then postulate that, given a spacecraft of sufficient speed and life-support capacity, you could travel to heaven? Most people would consider this an idea out of Jules Verne. It may also be contrary to your theology.
It's probably most accuracte to define the universe as the set of all points it is possible for matter to travel to. In such a case, heaven exists outside of the universe (if it exists at all).
It would be possible to have volumes outside the universe if the universe is finite but unbounded in three dimensions, in the way a sphere is unbounded in two dimensions. A sphere's boundary is only in the third dimension; likewise, the universe's boundary would be in the fourth dimension. (Which would not have to be time.) Although this is more of a geometric conjecture than a scientific hypothesis. One could detect the net curvature of space via the paths of light (ala General Relativity) but of course one could not conjecture as to what would lay outside the universe.
(BTW, as a linguist I find "dictionary" definitions rarely germaine to discussion because dictionaries only reflect how we use words, not what they "really" mean, if a word can be said to "really" mean anything at all.)
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