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Author Topic:   There Has Forever Been A Universe
Coragyps
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Message 2 of 24 (34480)
03-15-2003 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
03-15-2003 6:03 PM


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The text, imo, gives the exact length of days 5 and 6 in which the animals, birds, and mankind was created. Those days and all the days subsequent to that were measured by the sun, i.e. 24 hours, consisting each, first of an "evening" of relatively darkness and secondly, "morning," of relatively daylight.
There's a starter. What do you think?
What I think is that you are ignoring the findings of physics, paleontology, biology, and chemistry over the last couple of centuries to fit a worldview based on an old book.

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Coragyps
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Message 4 of 24 (34485)
03-15-2003 9:48 PM
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03-15-2003 9:29 PM


That the earth, or more precisely the fossil-bearing rocks of the earth, are at least several million years old was evident to those who made a study of it by about 1840. There is far too much rock, with fossils unique to many layers of it, to have formed in just a few thousands or even hundreds of thousands of years. The amount of biogenic or "fossil" limestone alone would have taken huge amounts of time to form - not only must you have the time and nutrients to grow enough clams and coral reefs and coccolithophorids to make the rock, but you have to get rid of the carbon dioxide that its formation releases.
Be specific about the dating methods that "would not work for pre-flood things." Which wouldn't work and why? Potassium-argon? Argon-argon? Samarium-neodymium? Strontium-rubidium? Uranium/thorium - lead? Which of those have anything at all to do with a "pre-flood" atmosphere at 400 degrees and only a percent or two oxygen content because it was mostly water vapor?

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Coragyps
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Message 8 of 24 (34722)
03-19-2003 9:20 PM
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03-19-2003 8:41 PM


The exact level of 14C is the atmosphere of 20,000 years ago is not precisely knowable, so the 14C clock is instead calibrated to actual knowable (within reasonable error) ages instead. There is no need to "compensate" for anything. Dendrochronology is one: tree rings in living trees are matched up in the patterns they show to rings in preserved logs in bogs or ancient structures - rings form a continuous record back about 11,000 years in Europe. 14C dates can be done on the same trees to calibrate the radiocarbon dates to true dates.
Similarly, a couple of lakes in Japan have yearly alternations of light (winter) and dark (summer) layers (varves) in their bottom sediments, back to about 40,000 years ago. In one of these, 250 samples (leaves, insect parts, etc) were carbon 14 dated and compared to the actual physical count of layers. See Kitigawa and van der Plicht, Science, vol 279, pp 1187-1190 (1998).
Annual layers in ice from Greenland, Antarctica, Peru, Bolivia, and Mt Kilimanjaro in Africa have been used as calibrators, too.
Other radioactive dating methods that don't depend on 14C production agree with 14C dates: thorium/uranium dates from stalagmites, for instance, in France or Nevada.
I can find references for several if you'll actually look at them. By the way: A "vapor canopy" might have once existed, but is quite incompatible with life.

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