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The three that I mentioned are the sort of demogogue I was discussing. Does Rush lie more than anyone else on the national scene? Dunno, never looked into it. Thus, if your measure of comparison is who lies more, I can't really respond.

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I specifically described my objections to Limbaugh as being that he has an almost complete disregard for the truth (while his schtick is that he portrays himself as particularly truthful).You then said that "there are plenty of those kinds of liars, thieves and villians on both sides of the aisle."My contention is that there aren't plenty of those kinds of liars, thieves and villians on both sides of the aisle. I think that the great majority of them are to be found on the conservative side of the aisle.This is why I asked you to name the people on the left who could be considered on a par with Limbaugh.I do not see how any of the three people you mentioned could be remotely compared.

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But I don't really think who lies more or less is the only, or even necessarily the best, measure of who is the worse demogogue. You might argue that Rush is worse because his impact is larger. Possibly. But my point was never that those on the other side are worse than or as bad as Rush.

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Well, then, perhaps you would like to retract or rephrase this statement:"there are plenty of those kinds of liars, thieves and villians on both sides of the aisle."If there aren't "plenty", and in fact, none even remotely comparable to Limbaugh, then why did you claim that there was?

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It was simply that all deomgogues need to be fought against, not just those whom you happen to disagree with.

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Of course I agree.But my point is that the claim oft-repeated by conservatives that there are "just as many" liberal "liars, thieves and villians" in the world of political media personalities is simply a falsehood.That's why you couldn't name any.

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"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

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Or maybe you can't see it that way because your political blinders won't let you see it.

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Oh, no, you are gravely mistaken.I am perfectly ready to see all of the left-wing media people who are just as bad as Rush Limbaugh.That's is, of course, why I asked you to list them.Now, you accuse me of having "political blinders" even though you are the one refusing to answer my questions regarding your claim that there exist many liberal media personalities which are just as bad as Limbaugh.I was skeptical that those people you listed were in even remotely the same league as Limbaugh, and gave my reasons why, and asked you to explain why you thought they were.You declined providing an explanation or examples of their statements to compare to Limbaugh's, and you now seem to been backing away from your initial statement as fast as possible.It is a myth, subbie, that media personalities on the right and on the left are somehow "equivalent" in behavior and number.It is a myth that there are just as many Limbaughs, O'Reillys, and Coulters in the media on the liberal side of the fence as on the conservative side.I am more than happy to be shown that I am wrong, however, and if we started a new thread I'd be happy to read and honestly consider any comparable lists of liars on the left you'd like to show me.

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I was never talking about just liars, and don't particularly care to, as I don't happen to think that mere liars are the worst of 'em.

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So it's bad when they lie, but it's even worse when they tell the truth? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

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I don't believe I ever said there were as many one the left as there are on the right,

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No, but that was your clear implication. It makes no sense for you to have replied in the way you did, saying that there are "plenty" of such liars, crooks, and villians on both sides, if all you wanted to say was that "any" exist on the left.

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not even sure I ever said they were "equivalent." IIRC, I said there were plenty on both sides.

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But there aren't, according to my estimation.I asked you to show that I'm wrong, and you were unable to.Look, I was talking about Rush Limbaugh. I criticized him, specifically, as being a terrible liar. You then said that there are "plenty" of people like him on the other side of the fence.I challenged you to show that this was true, and you didn't.My estimation is that there are far, far, far more more of these sorts of people on the right who play fast and loose with the truth, and that they are very popular and well-known and influential with conservative groups in the US.It is also my estimation that there are only a handful of such people in the media who support liberal causes by using lies and ditortions as do Limbaugh, Coulter, and O'Reilly and others, and they do not garner anywhere near the same support from liberal groups in the US and are not anywhere near as known and are therefore far less influential.If your current point is merely that "demagoguery exists on both sides of the aisle", then we have no argument.I will point out that your previous reply attempted to put my criticism of Limbaugh into some kind of broader context, and that context, I took to mean, was that there was "plenty" of that kind of behavior going on on the liberal side, so I shouldn't single Limbaugh out.Well, "plenty" and "any" are not equivalent words.

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I was simply trying to make the point that demogoguery is not the exclusive domain of any political party.

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I never said it wasn't. I was simply challenging your clear implication that it was equal from both sides of the aisle, and that one could easily find "Liberal Rush Limbaughs".Sorry, but you really can't.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson