note: this discussion has turned for the better;read pgs/Where do the laws come from?

Never considered,How did laws of gravity and inertia, how did these laws come about.How does a law come about?How is it that the universe is governed?Read these questions carefully before replying, they require much thought and (to add the controversy) have no answer from a Godless mindset.Edited by -messenjah of one, : No reason given.Edited by -messenjah of one, : subtitleEdited by -messenjah of one, : unwanted smiley face

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different forces started to appear

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Is this the best that can be done?

I'm actually really interested in string theory. Aren't they calling it "M" theory now?

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much of the nature of the universe

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The nature of the universe is basically determined on what we have; is DrAdequate's explanation correct?Edited by -messenjah of one, : No reason given.

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how does gravity come about. well, gee, let's think about it for a moment. In this universe, denser objects attract to them less dense objects--that's the most basic principle, though it isn't quite adequate at describing how gravity works--that's where GR comes in handy.

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Inertia is also similar. once a mass gets moving, unless friction acts upon it, it will get faster, and faster, and faster. (so long as I've got the right inertia. I could be mistaking this with something else, though similar).

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These "laws" are nothing more than the natural consequences of the properties involved, such as mass, friction, volume, density, ad infinitum.

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Kuresu, you are not understanding my questions. You're describing the laws that guide our universe. I'm asking how that can be! DrAdequate may have answered my questions here but I'm not positive, I have to reread his post.

Our universe is guided based on the amounts and what types fo matter it is composed of?

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composed. We can speak, for example of laws of electricity 'cos electrons are all exactly the same as one another.

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So if there were less electrons, and they had different properties; the laws of electricity would have to be rewritten or would not exist?

The laws describe what we are living in.Of actual substance, of weight: the very nature of objects itself is perplexing for a random occurrence.Does anyone know what I'm saying in the previous sentence?

Jar,It is such a great concept that it will take a moment for me to put into better words...For example: Why is an atom shaped as it is shaped?Generally, objects with more weight have a greater mass. Why is this the way it is?DO NOT overlook this premise.The very nature of every very thing in the universe, including the universe itself and it's nature must have a reason for being.How is "the inherent nature" described without a creator?Please do not ridicule me for my words for they require must stewing and thought; many months if not years to fully comprehend.I am asking a lot of EvC forum.Edited by -messenjah of one, : typo

Jar,If I knew you in real life I would cry for your well-being.

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We are learning why atoms have the shape they do,

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This is simply dishonest and unsupported.You need to take some time to reflect upon my words.I mean no disrespect.

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That's the not the answer he's looking for. Large bodies of mass attract smaller bodies. That's the observation. But he wants to know things, (from what I can gather), why there is even an orbit at all. How are these rules initialized is what I think he's really asking. You'd have to ask him directly.

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This is fairly accurate. This is important. My reputation among my friends here may diminish but this is a trivial asset. I will not relent in regards to this concept and discussion

I appreciate your argument sidelined. My next step is to form a teleogical proof for God. But this is not to not continue to underline the concept expressed here.

NWR,I must explore this avenue.

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Those proofs never work anyway.

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I know for sure that I cannot deal in absolutes.

I understand this elementary point (took physics) but I am questioning the very essence of why things are the way they are.

So what is your point?This is not a valid answer.

I thought I have articulated my inquiry quite clearly.I will review what I have written.

I admire your knowledge on the subject but I don't believe it is pertinent and I don't find error in my statement. Obviously weight and mass are two different measurements.