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jar
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Message 28 of 120 (357455)
10-19-2006 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Trump won
10-19-2006 9:15 AM


Re: In summation
The laws describe what we are living in.
Of actual substance, of weight: the very nature of objects itself is perplexing for a random occurrence.
Does anyone know what I'm saying in the previous sentence?
Not even a clue.
How about you?
I just emptied my pocket. There was seventy five cents in coins. Should I be perplexed?

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jar
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Message 33 of 120 (357564)
10-19-2006 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Trump won
10-19-2006 7:00 PM


Re: This is important
Please do not ridicule me for my words for they require must stewing and thought; many months if not years to fully comprehend.
Well, no they don't. Sorry.
The answer is exactly the same as the reason I had seventy-five cents in coins in my pocket.
But here is an important question. It may take months if not years to fully comprehend.
I just looked and miraculously I now have one dollar and sixty cents change in my pocket.
DO NOT overlook this premise.
The "nature" as you so loosely describe it is as WE describe it to be. Even then, you really need to add even more definition for your statements to be true.
For example:
Generally, objects with more weight have a greater mass. Why is this the way it is?
Think about that statement. Which weighs more, a cubic foot of pure iron on the earth or the moon? Which has more mass, the cubic foot or iron on the earth, or the one on the moon?
We learn more and more everyday about the whys. We are learning why atoms have the shape they do, and the rules seem pretty straight forward. We are now beginning to build with just that knowledge, to create objects, machines, that are based only on the knowledge of why things are shaped as they are.

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jar
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Message 42 of 120 (357586)
10-19-2006 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by mick
10-19-2006 8:19 PM


made up numbers
NJ writes:
If there was a change in earth's placement within the universe, by maybe 1 part in 1015 difference would be disasterous. Life couldn't be possible.
to which you reasonably replied:
quote:
That doesn't sound right.
Lots of the Biblical Creationists sites love to just make stuff up and it is possible that NJ actually took his figures from such a site.
Truth is the earth is closest to the sun in January and farthest from the sun in July. At our closest we are about 91 million miles away from the sun and at our farthest about 94 million miles so we already see a difference of over 3%.
And even that says absolutely nothing about the limits where life would be possible. As usual, all that is is another argument from incredulity combined with just plain ignorance of the facts.
So far we know of NO laws governing life. We know of one example that does work, but don't really have a clue as to what other possibilities there might be.

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Message 75 of 120 (357741)
10-20-2006 12:55 PM
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10-20-2006 12:23 PM


Re: Distance from sun
I don't quite agree with your reasoning. If the earth were to settle in a circular orbit at current aphelion, things might get a bit cold.
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning for that. I was under the impression that tilt would play a bigger difference than distance within the range of our current orbit. Is there a signigicant difference between winters in the northern and southern hemisphere?

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Message 82 of 120 (357760)
10-20-2006 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Dr Adequate
10-20-2006 1:29 PM


Re: Distance From The Sun
A quick 'n' dirty calculation from the inverse square law shows that you could change the radius of the Earth's orbit by about 2% either way and that would change the mean global temperature by about 10C either way.
The radius already varies by over 3% annually.

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Message 86 of 120 (357775)
10-20-2006 3:03 PM
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10-20-2006 3:00 PM


Re: This is important
It must frustrating to realize that there is no reason and a God is actually a quite sufficient reason.
LOL
Why do you think there is no reason? Reason for what? Where do you see frustration? How does God explain anything more than asserting magic?

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