|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
|
|
Author | Topic: Intelligent design. Philosophy of ignorance. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DivineBeginning Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 100 Joined: |
You are truly a pompous jerk!! These are scientific facts that cannot be disputed any more than the facts you feed everyone!!! Do us all a favor and keep your comments that are so indignant to yourself. You are a disgrace to the scientific community when you make comments like that
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Jar, simply pointed out what is wrong with the so-called "logic" of the video. If you think his statments of fact are wrong or his reasoning is in error all you have to do is point it out in detail.
Exactly what "facts" are you refering to? Exactly what comments are a "disgrace" and why? Simply getting insulting to Jar makes it look like you are spluttering with no answer to his points. He may have been hard on the folks who made the video. So? If you think they can be defended we'd be interested in seeing you do so. We are not interested in anyone getting insulting to anyone else here.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
DivineBeginning writes: You are a disgrace to the scientific community when you make comments like that The scientific community (or anybody who knows the first thing about science) would point out what is wrong with the comments - instead of throwing a tantrum when somebody disagrees with them. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
db writes: You are truly a pompous jerk!! No he is not.
db writes: These are scientific facts that cannot be disputed any more than the facts you feed everyone The probabilities in the Drake equation are not scientific fact but best case guesses given the currently available information and there are a range of guesses.
You are a disgrace to the scientific community And you are a credit to what community?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are truly a pompous jerk!! These are scientific facts that cannot be disputed any more than the facts you feed everyone!!! Do us all a favor and keep your comments that are so indignant to yourself. You are a disgrace to the scientific community when you make comments like that Actually I was responding not as much from the science perspective but rather as a Christian. I find it embarrassing that so called Christians are so gullible that con-artists like the ones at Discovery Institute can so easily fool them. You pointed out that you thought "WE couldn't survive." So what? Life went on here on earth for billions of years before man and will likely go on for billions of years after man is gone. You posted:
If the earth's crust couldn't support the magma and the tectonic activity, what would happen to all the organisms? The facts are that the crust does not support the magma, the magma supports the crust. As I said:
jar writes: First, it is not the crust that supports the magma but the magma that supports the crust. And if there is energy in the interior, there will be tectonic activity. Look at Jupiter, Saturn. See activity? The tectonic activity argument is one of the silliest of all. The organisms that rely on that might not exist, but our experience has been that no matter where we look, no matter the environment, we find life. Look in ice, we find life. Look in water miles deep in the rocks isolated from the sun and surface for millions of years, and we find life. You asked:
I thought you would see that pretty clearly. Please tell me that{what?} false assumption this is based on. As I said, the false premise is that the conditions were designed for the critter while the evidence says that the critters are a result of the conditions. Remember, for a good bit of the history of the earth, the conditions were not suitable for humans. But the conditions were suitable for the critters that lived at that time. As the environment changed, as the filter of Natural Selection changed, different critters passed through and became the critters that suited the environment. The questions and issues I have pointed out should be addressed. Edited by jar, : for some reason I often type one for on appalin spallin Aslan is not a Tame Lion
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
As far as probabilities go ... I point out, for the record, that DivineBegining claimed to be a math major and was challenged to find fault with the the old improbable probability problem in general and Message 35 in particular. and could NOT do so: He has abandoned that thread entirely, given it up, and run-away from the thread and the challenge that it provided him. Now he is asserting this same ignorant fallacious probabilities issue again. It does not matter what the basis is\are for the calculations, they are based on assumptions and not facts. They are a mathematical assumption and cannot be used to invalidate reality: reality exists in spite of mathematical probabilities. Yucatan meteor case in point.
You are astronomically improbable but there are you are - amazing isn't. This is post hoc ergo propter hoc and the argument from incredulity and nothing more -- logical fallacies. The possibility of something - no matter how small is still more than zero, and the relative possibility compared to an impossibility is that number divided by zero: quite sufficient IIR(my math)C. Amazing it is not.
You are truly a pompous jerk!! Didn't you talk down to someone about being a "foul-mouthed one" when you started? As a point of information, any "evo" that makes a similar comment about another poster is usually suspended for 24 hours (or more) because this is a violation of forum rules\guidelines. This is an ad hominem attack on the messenger and not on the message. Creationists are cut some slack by the administration: I hope you enjoy being "privileged", but don't abuse it (it's so hard to play the matryred christian afterwards). Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : posthocergopropterhoc we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DivineBeginning Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 100 Joined: |
Jar has been giving me backhanded insults from the beginning of the thread. He thinks he is above everyone that disagrees with him. He says he's a Christian? A christian means "Christ like". What does Christ think of the idea of His Father not creating the universe?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DivineBeginning Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 100 Joined: |
I know, and I have pointed out what was wrong with several arguments from you guys, but all I get back is that I am an utter fool. So, I say he got what he deserved
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DivineBeginning Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 100 Joined: |
Life went on here on earth for billions of years before man and will likely go on for billions of years after man is gone.
Can you prove this? The facts are that the crust does not support the magma, the magma supports the crust. Are you that ignorant? They are talking about the crust being thick enough to support the rising energy from the molten magma.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DivineBeginning Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 100 Joined: |
This is post hoc ergo propter hoc
Could you just use plain english here? I hope you enjoy being "privileged", but don't abuse it (it's so hard to play the matryred christian afterwards). Whatever.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
If you want to point those insults out I'll have a read over them.
All I saw was Jar giving your reasonable critisms of the material you refered to. I've read over the dvd transcipt too and it appears that he is correct. I have missed any place where you have actually dealt with those critisms. If you do not wish to conduct yourself in a manner appropriate to the science forums you will not be posting at all.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DivineBeginning Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 100 Joined: |
All right. OK. I will refrain myself. But I will have it be known that Jar is quite condescending with his remarks to me. The words he uses to describe what I bring up are pretty mean. I guess I will just have to ignore him. I have dealt with worse.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
alacrity fitzhugh Member (Idle past 4318 days) Posts: 194 Joined: |
Divinebeginning writes: Are you that ignorant? They are talking about the crust being thick enough to support the rising energy from the molten magma. Divine beginning, before you get into it deeper look:
Earth's Interior As you can see the crust is the outer layer Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given. Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given. Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DivineBeginning Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 100 Joined: |
Thanks, I didn't know that!!! Seriously, thank you. You said that very nicely. I appreciate that.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar writes: Life went on here on earth for billions of years before man and will likely go on for billions of years after man is gone. to which DivineBeginning replied:
Can you prove this? In science nothing is proven, but the evidence is so overwhelming that it can be said to be proven in general conversation. The earliest pre-Cambrian life forms found so far date to around 3.5 Billions of years ago. Plus, every year there are new discoveries that push that date back even further. As to life existing long after man is gone, as I said, it is likely. All the evidence so far says that the wondrous process of Evolution that GOD created will assure that life goes on.
jar writes: The facts are that the crust does not support the magma, the magma supports the crust. to which Divine Beginnings replied:
Are you that ignorant? They are talking about the crust being thick enough to support the rising energy from the molten magma. Sorry but again, your response makes no sense. There are many places where the rising energy from the molten magma breaks through the surface. Some good examples are Black and White Smokers found along the mid ocean rifts. And guess what we find there? Life. Lots of life. Wondrous life. Another place where we see the energy from the molten magma breaking through the surface is in the Hot Springs, particularly in Yellowstone. And guess what we find there? Life. Lots of life. Wondrous life. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024