Are mutations enough to explain natural selection?

Scott and Fred,I am not going to divulge whose side I am a part of at this point in time, because it is completely irrelevant. I take issue with both of you (so maybe you can agree for once in taking issue with me). I tried to read through this thread, as I am a critical thinker who is seeking to gain knowledge. I am dumber for having made the mistake of trying to read everything on this thread.Both of you should know better than to resort to the other's tactics, so saying "He started it." doesn't cut it. Why don't you guys let go of the rhetoric, satire and other unnecessary crud when you post and just deal in the facts. Fact vs. Fact! As a layperson, I don't need to see someone belittle another person for me to believe their viewpoint, if anything, it's going to make me question the bully. Problem here is, we have a bully-bash where two bullys are going back and forth at each other. I know where a willow tree is if you guys really need to settle this the old-fashioned way.I know the history both of you have, as I am not one to read only one person's side of the story -- I have read a great deal about virtually all of your encounters. You guys need to bury the past and start anew. Tomorrow is a new day; maybe you guys can try to clean up your acts and return to science. I speak for many when I say it would be greatly appreciated by the learning community at-large.Thanks!

Paul, I hope you don't mean to insinuate that I have not read this thread. I truly was ready for someone to give me a medal or a cookie for digging through the minutiae that is...this thread![This message has been edited by jdjewell, 04-17-2003]

They are about the only people still looking at this thread, with the accompaniment of a few others; so, I figured they would take a look to see what was being said. I know that they continue to post to each other in the same fashion, whenever their paths cross, and I figured this would be one of the best, least-visible ways of letting them know that neither one is winning bonus points with anybody for making cutting remarks at the other.That's all.

Scott, I already read the majority of that page; but, thanks for the link anyway.