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Author Topic:   Correlation Among Various Radiometric Ages
Casey Powell 
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Message 12 of 61 (374178)
01-03-2007 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by RAZD
01-03-2007 7:11 PM


Re: Bump for JesusFighter
Neither was an answer to my response.
That they do not work effectively in DATING ROCKS!
They do have benefits, and I'm not doubting that in regards to the methods.
But they are not capable of giving accurate results in dating rocks! And thats what is at issue here.
The examples that the articles give fail to demonstrate how the methods are effective in dating rocks. Another prime example of begging the question, nothing more or less here.
A definition is not an explanation. The articles successfully define the terms, then create a strawman of the purpose of the article against Radiometric dating. The purpose is not to provide evidence for YECS. The purpose is to state that the whole dating method insofar as it can be used to measure millions or billions of years is entirely useless and ineffective.
Edited by JesusFighter, : No reason given.
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Casey Powell 
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Message 14 of 61 (374180)
01-03-2007 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by NosyNed
03-27-2005 12:39 PM


Re: Blinded Tests?
we don't even need to! Thats the sad part. Its a waste of time or money to proceed with the argument any further than that its useless as an aging tool.

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Casey Powell 
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Message 15 of 61 (374182)
01-03-2007 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by crashfrog
01-03-2007 8:31 PM


Re: Bump for JesusFighter
Correlation? Do you realize how ambiguous that claim is?

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Casey Powell 
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Message 18 of 61 (374185)
01-03-2007 8:37 PM


In order for Radiometric dating to be of any use, the following four criteria must be met:
1. The decay constant and the abundance of K40 must be known accurately.
2. There must have been no incorporation of Ar40 into the mineral at the time of crystallization or a leak of Ar40 from the mineral following crystallization.
3. The system must have remained closed for both K40 and Ar40 since the time of crystallization.
4. The relationship between the data obtained and a specific event must be known.
Guess what....not here, not ever!

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Casey Powell 
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Message 19 of 61 (374186)
01-03-2007 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by crashfrog
01-03-2007 8:35 PM


Re: Bump for JesusFighter
You don't give a single objective standard of proof so your question is irrelevant here.

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Casey Powell 
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Message 22 of 61 (374191)
01-03-2007 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Coragyps
01-03-2007 8:34 PM


Re: Bump for JesusFighter
They aren't effective in dating anything!
They are effective in that we can measure a rock's mass, its volume, its colour, the minerals in it, their size and the way they are arranged. We can crush the rock and measure its chemical composition and the radioactive elements it contains. But we do not have an instrument that directly measures age.

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Casey Powell 
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Message 24 of 61 (374194)
01-03-2007 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by DrJones*
01-03-2007 8:41 PM


Yes there are a few. Elephant hurl as far as I'm concerned though.

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Casey Powell 
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Message 26 of 61 (374196)
01-03-2007 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Coragyps
01-03-2007 8:44 PM


Do the words, elephant hurl mean anything to you?

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Casey Powell 
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Message 27 of 61 (374197)
01-03-2007 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by crashfrog
01-03-2007 8:45 PM


Re: Bump for JesusFighter
Lets see.
The elephant jumped through a really big hoop.
Right, but how big was the hoop?
It was really big!
Thats about what your standard looks like here.
So how do you apply your standard is the question. Examples, and specifics.
Edited by JesusFighter, : No reason given.

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Casey Powell 
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Message 31 of 61 (374204)
01-03-2007 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Coragyps
01-03-2007 8:49 PM


Re: Bump for JesusFighter
Right.....there's no age measuring tool for rocks. Thanks for agreeing .

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Casey Powell 
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Message 33 of 61 (374206)
01-03-2007 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Coragyps
01-03-2007 8:49 PM


Re: Bump for JesusFighter
Dedronchronology doesn't do much better really.

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Casey Powell 
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Message 34 of 61 (374208)
01-03-2007 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Percy
01-03-2007 8:52 PM


Re: Blinded Tests?
Face it my friend....your "dating" methods really suck.....I don't know how else to put it really.
They don't directly measure the ages of rocks.
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Casey Powell 
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Message 36 of 61 (374210)
01-03-2007 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by DrJones*
01-03-2007 8:51 PM


I base it on the fact that there are no direct measuring tools for dating anything at all. So spout out all of the "dating" methods that you want here.

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Casey Powell 
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Message 37 of 61 (374211)
01-03-2007 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Coragyps
01-03-2007 8:54 PM


Its a nice way of saying dog crap!

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Casey Powell 
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Message 40 of 61 (374214)
01-03-2007 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Percy
01-03-2007 8:56 PM


Okay fair enough.

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