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iceage 
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Message 119 of 140 (380637)
01-28-2007 5:26 AM 		Reply to: Message 115 by johnfolton
01-28-2007 4:53 AM

Re: (Lev. 25) an AMNESTY on debt
Perhaps we should just kick those foreign banker out like Christ kicked the money changers out of the temple.
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The "foreign bankers" are not setting up shop in the temple. There are no parallels. This is simply an attempt to avoid the clear anc concise teachings of the scripture.
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Lay onto Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and give unto God what belongs to God
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It does not qualify that with "unless you can concoct a really good conspiracy theory".
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You are worried about some corruption and foreign influences? just what the hell do think Caesar represented in Jesus's day?
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Why oh why can't literalist believe in the literal God breathed holy writ?
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Message 122 of 140 (380641)
01-28-2007 6:15 AM 		Reply to: Message 121 by johnfolton
01-28-2007 5:57 AM

Render onto Caesar
Christ plainly said give unto Caesar.
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Who are these foreign bankers, does anyone know.
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Who cares from a Christian perspective. Caesar represented an overtly oppressive foreign power and Jesus commanded give to Caesar what is asked.
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charley writes:
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This will be an opportunity (right?)to be martyred as a witness in respect to the faith.
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Makes me shiver anytime i here someone looking forward to being a martyr.
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Message 123 of 140 (380642)
01-28-2007 6:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 120 by johnfolton
01-28-2007 5:36 AM

No Place to Lay His Head
iceage writes:
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Wasn't Christ Kingly? and he had "No Place To Lay His Head".
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charley writes:
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Its about the son of mans accension into heaven, he "has" no place to lay his head.
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"Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head."
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Christ is highlighting his homelessness status. He was not talking about ascension.
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Christ plainly preached selling all and emphasized it repeatedly as if to stress it and some work overtime to avoid that.
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Message 129 of 140 (380783)
01-28-2007 7:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 128 by johnfolton
01-28-2007 6:27 PM

Re: Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
archer writes:
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Interesting how literally fundies takes the Old Testament passages about homosexuality but how creative they suddenly get when their Lord and Savior tells them to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to sell everything they have to help the poor.
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charley writes:
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Kent never signed the 501c3 perhaps those here hate Kent so because he did not sign the 501c3. Caesar was a man who is the man ahead of the Federal Reserve thats in control of Ben Bernanke. No man then no Caesar its not a government its simply foreign bankers that have forced America to fill the Infidels Bankbook.
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As usual Archer does a nice job of summarizing.
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Charley you now being disingenuous. The use of Caesar was a representation of the Roman Gov't. Again Caesar represented a foreign oppresive and corrupt (by today's standards) goverment. Regardless what crackpot theories you have about taxes they are still taxes.
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Message 131 of 140 (380820)
01-28-2007 11:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 125 by johnfolton
01-28-2007 12:01 PM

Re: No Place to Lay His Head
iceage writes:
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"Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head."
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Christ is highlighting his homelessness status. He was not talking about ascension.
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charley writes:
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I take it more from prophecy that though the scribe meant well that I will follow thee "whithersoever" thou goest. Jesus was not saying to the scribe not to follow him in the now but that "whithersoever" was not possible in the land of the living in respect to his ascension.
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I suggest you lay off the prophecy and listen to the word and context. If he was talking abouit prophecy why would he contrast his position against the foxes and birds? This is absurd.
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iceage writes:
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Christ plainly preached selling all and emphasized it repeatedly as if to stress it and some work overtime to avoid that.
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charley writes:
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No, its not the money persay but the love of money that is the root of all evil.
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Christ says sell all and and follow me; not give up your love of money or hey some of you will be priests and some of you will be kings. Modern day interpretation.
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Message 132 of 140 (380821)
01-28-2007 11:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 130 by johnfolton
01-28-2007 10:31 PM

Re: Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
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Your missing the whole point its not about Caesar
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The scripture plainly and clearly state give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and you are trying to twist this into some conspiracy of rulers of darkness.
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You are corrupting scripture for your own purposes.
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