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Archer Opteryx
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Message 134 of 140 (380846)
01-29-2007 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by johnfolton
01-28-2007 11:54 PM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
Charely:
Jesus said the poor you will alway have when Judas was going to give all the money to the poor.
Fundies who want to keep their money love this statement. But it is they who take it out of context.
Jesus said the reason it was okay to splurge a bit on a celebration (oil) in that instance was because he was with them in person and would not always be.
Jesus sits at the right hand of God now, according to fundies. So it's no longer a case of supplying him with a few luxuries because the times are special. Any money fundies keep from the poor now is not money they spend on Jesus. It is money they keep for themselves.
It is also not correct to say 'Judas was going to give all the money to the poor.' All one knows is that he objected to expensive oil being poured on Christ by saying the money could have been spent on the poor.
The Gospel writers tell us that Judas kept the purse. They also tell us his character was such that betrayed Jesus for money. So when he spoke of helping the poor he was likely thinking of enriching himself.
Judas would be very comfortable with modern fundamentalism, actually.
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Archer Opteryx
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Message 136 of 140 (380943)
01-29-2007 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by johnfolton
01-29-2007 9:59 AM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
Charley:
You too seem to agree with depowering the churches which is not the apostle Paul witness to be robbing from the church.
Its about empowerment of the church to save up for their children not bondage to give all to the poor. 2 corinthians 12:14.
You want the church to give all to the poor but this is clearly not what the bible says. Save up for your children is clearly not giving all to the poor but the opposite. Its ok to save for your retirement because this is your inheritance to your children.
Actually, I never mentioned the church.
You assume a great deal.
If you don't want to give to the poor, don't.
Just forego banging your Bible afterward and telling other people to obey the words. You don't have the right.
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Archer
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Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3627 days)
Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
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Message 138 of 140 (381010)
01-29-2007 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by johnfolton
01-29-2007 2:48 PM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
You're confusing a lot of things, Charley. You're confusing individual responsibility with collective responsibility and confusing both with masonry. Then you confuse your allegience to Paul with your allegience to Jesus.
My point stands. You have no right to lecture anyone about Jesus until you are ready to take seriously the things he taught.
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