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Flamingo Chavez
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Message 7 of 22 (38228)
04-28-2003 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by crashfrog
04-28-2003 3:09 PM


Re: Money!
It seems all to easy to discredit "Dr. (and I use this term as loosely as possible) Dino."
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"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Flamingo Chavez
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Message 11 of 22 (38261)
04-28-2003 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by mike the wiz
04-28-2003 9:33 PM


"one day for Jehovah can be a thousand years for a human"
By the way, the Hebrew word for "day" can be translated in about 8 different ways. Why do you pick day to mean a literal solar day?
"But whwn evolutionists come before God i'm pretty sure they will
still insist he is wrong and they are right!!"
I could say when scientific creationists get to heaven they will insist God is wrong for using evolution.
"arguments may change but God was the same yesterday as today.The bible doesnt change its argument because God was there when it happens."
Your interpretation of the Bible changes. Your literalist interpretation of Genesis is one of the newest changes in theology to date. Maybe you should go back to the old nonliteralistic interpretation then...

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Flamingo Chavez
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Message 16 of 22 (38274)
04-28-2003 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by mike the wiz
04-28-2003 11:21 PM


"can you please point out where i have gone wrong since you obviously read the bible.and besides i can interpret it any way i want , i may be wrong but can you show me where God is wrong?"
Hi Mike remember me? The evolutionary CREATIONIST. Yes I do know a few things about the Bible, and yes I have read most of it. Like you said you can interpret the Bible anyway you want, but some interpretations are just not founded in scripture. I would argue this is one of them. Please read this http://www.ualberta.ca/~dlamoure/EvolutionaryCreation.htm it articulates my view point very well. Definately read the part about the interpretation of Genesis.
"of course creationists wouldnt argue with God or his word
but arrogant evolutionists would probably dare to"
I would argue otherwise, they get so wrapped up in the way they think that God SHOULD have created the Earth that they can't see any other method as being correct. What will you do if you get to Heaven and find out that you're wrong?
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Flamingo Chavez
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Message 20 of 22 (38367)
04-29-2003 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by mike the wiz
04-29-2003 10:50 AM


"Would you agree then that genesis as read from a normal point of view"
What do you consider a normal point of view? I consider my explanation that God allowed the Big Bang to happen and life to unfold acording to His natural law quite a "normal" point of view.
"suggests God created the heavens and the earth. i accept this as truth , anything else is just my opinion .
I believe that God used "natural and ordinary" (not miraculous) means to create. So yes I believe that
Also he says he done it in 6 days?
First of all, he didn't say anything... the writer that was inspired by God did. Secondly, the passages of Genesis should be taken as divine poetry, NOT a scientific textbook. The basic themes of Genesis still remain true 1)that God created everything 2)that his creation is good 3)that he strives to have a personal relationship with us.
Also i think somewhere it was mentioned that in the bible somewhere it says a thousand years is as a day to GOD, for me , my opinion is that this simply means time has no influence on a supernatural God...
Like I said before, there are about 8 different translations for the Hebrew word that means day (some other meanings are year, and age). To say that one definition is better than the other is pure speculation. Again, take this as metaphor, as it was intended.
let me expound on this point some more. Take the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus calls the mustard seed the smallest of all seeds. A simple side by side comparison with an orchid seed reveals that the orchid seed is much smaller. Are you going to claim that science is wrong in the measurement of orchid seeds now? Of course not. Think about what would have happened if Jesus would have inserted the orchid seed into that parable. Not one person would have any clue about what he was talking about. Now think about what would have happened if God had inspired someone in the terms of Big Bang cosmology, abiogenesis, and evolution? These concepts boggle my mind, let alone someone that lived several thousands of years ago.
The ancient Hebrews saw that a cow produced a cow... so it must have always have been like that. They saw a gigantic blue sphere over the Earth that occasionally leaked on them... so it must be a dome of water. God had to relate to them in a way that they could understand and comprehend it.

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Flamingo Chavez
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Message 22 of 22 (38380)
04-29-2003 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by truthlover
04-29-2003 9:57 PM


This is exactly my point. I don't think I could have said it any better myself.
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