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Author Topic:   Should the Public Airwaves be More or Less Censored?
kuresu
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Message 196 of 310 (396383)
04-19-2007 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 7:45 PM


Re: No to Censorship
I don't want my kids to be isolated from the world. They can live in the world, but they shouldn't be part of it.
contradiction. you don't want to isolate them, but by saying they shouldn't be a part of the world, they would be isolated.
Then out of the other side of your mouth, you say I should take away the TV from the kids.
the TV is not the only way to be in touch with the world. In fact, I hardly watch TV--only for mythbusters, MASH, and if something's good on the history or science channel. And even that's rare (actually watching any of those). Instead, I'm plugged into my computer.
where's the hypocrisy you're smelling?

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kuresu
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Message 197 of 310 (396384)
04-19-2007 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 7:49 PM


Re: No to Censorship
I don't think I have to pass a law, it's called harrassment.
wrong. being intentionally rude and harrassing someone are two different things. so yes, you would be needing to pass a law.

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ringo
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Message 198 of 310 (396385)
04-19-2007 8:00 PM
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04-19-2007 7:45 PM


Re: No to Censorship
riVeRraT writes:
They can live in the world, but they shouldn't be part of it.
That's fundie.

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jar
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Message 199 of 310 (396386)
04-19-2007 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 7:49 PM


When to be rude?
A Gentleman tries to never be rude unintentionally.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nator
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Message 200 of 310 (396394)
04-19-2007 8:59 PM
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04-19-2007 7:49 PM


Re: No to Censorship
What law would you pass that would make it illegal for me to be intentionally rude to a customer?
quote:
I don't think I have to pass a law, it's called harrassment.
Really?
Can you explain the legal definition of "harrassment" and how my being intentionally rude to a customer qualifies as breaking laws against harassment?

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nator
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Message 201 of 310 (396396)
04-19-2007 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 7:47 PM


no, not at all
No, you didn't offend me.
I just love the phrase "your an idiot" when it is written in precisely that way because it is so wonderfully, deliciously ironic.
--------------------------------------
Rat, the words, "your" and "you're" have different meanings.
"You're" is a contraction of "you are", as in "You're an idiot".
"Your" is a posessive form of "you", like in "Your use of "your" instead of "you're" in the above sentence is ironic."
Here's the trick I use to help me remember which one to use:
If you are unsure, substitute "you are" in any sentence. If it fits, then you should use "you're".

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riVeRraT
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Message 202 of 310 (396404)
04-19-2007 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by nator
04-19-2007 8:59 PM


Re: No to Censorship
Can you explain the legal definition of "harrassment"
No I cannot, I am not a lawyer.
The harrassment laws are pretty complicated, as they should be. Probably so that they do not enfringe on the 1st ammendment.

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riVeRraT
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Message 203 of 310 (396405)
04-19-2007 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by nator
04-19-2007 9:10 PM


Re: no, not at all
cute, I wish I had enough time in my life to care about spelling.
But I was refering to offending kuresu
Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

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subbie
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Message 204 of 310 (396421)
04-19-2007 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 9:33 PM


Re: No to Censorship
I won't claim to have done a 50 state survey on harassment laws, but for the most part, I'd venture to guess that the sine qua non of harassment laws includes repeated, unwanted contact with the harassee.
There is very little that is complicated in any harassment laws that I have looked at. It's a very good idea for harassment laws to be uncomplicated so that everyone is on notice as to what clearly constitutes harassment.
If there is one overarching theme underlying most First Amendment jurisprudance, it's the idea that governmental regulation of speech should be content neutral, in other words, it's much more difficult for the government to ban or regulate speech because of the content of what is being said. Because harassment laws usually address repeated unwanted contact, they are completely content neutral. It's just as much harassment to call someone 20 times a day to say they are good looking as it is to call them 20 times a day to say they are ugly. Thus, there is no real question or concern that harassment laws infringe on the First Amendment.

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nator
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Message 205 of 310 (396431)
04-19-2007 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 9:34 PM


Re: no, not at all
quote:
cute, I wish I had enough time in my life to care about spelling.
But I was refering to offending kuresu
Yeah.
You called him an idiot.
While you were doing that, you made an extremely basic error in punctuation that we all should have learned in the fourth grade.
Thus the ironical funny.
Look, I'm not saying that my spelling or grammar or punctuation is always perfect; far from it, in fact.
However, I do care about it, because it is the way we communicate here, and I care about being understood, and I care about the impression I make on others.
Using words and grammar and punctuation incorrectly at best makes it more difficult to understand what you are trying to communicate, and at worst it conveys sloppiness, carelessness, a poor education, and even a less-than-great level of intelligence (even if the person graduated from Harvard with honors).
It is sort of like a lawyer showing up in court in torn jeans, a stained teeshirt, her hair a rat's nest and last night's makeup on her face and booze on her breath.
Even if she is, in reality, well-prepared and capable, would her appearance inspire you to come to that conclusion?

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 206 of 310 (396467)
04-20-2007 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by nator
04-19-2007 11:26 PM


Re: no, not at all
Yes, I know your (lol) right.

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nator
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Message 207 of 310 (396469)
04-20-2007 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by riVeRraT
04-20-2007 8:13 AM


Re: no, not at all
Hahaha.
That was pretty funny.

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ReverendDG
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From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 208 of 310 (396808)
04-22-2007 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 11:11 AM


Re: No to Censorship
That is exactly what that link talks about. I have seen it in my own children when they started playing a violent video game, so I took it away fromt them. I don't need you to come in here and falsify what really is.
oh so going to play the "i'm a parent, and your not, so i get to pick what is true or isn't true!" card?
read the damn conclusion
The fact of the matter is that parents should monitor and be more attentive to their children. In the act of a busy life we all tend to forget the real life issues. Parents need to pay more attention to their children’s lives and not sit them in front of the television,
the fact is what maybe too much for your kid may not be too much for some elses, and censoring based on studies that can't prove anything either way is not a good argument
its your job to watch your children, if you can't teach your children the right way to behave, thats not the media's fault

"no intelligent agent who is strictly physical could have presided over the origin of the universe or the origin of life." - William Dembski

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ReverendDG
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Message 209 of 310 (396809)
04-22-2007 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 7:49 PM


Re: No to Censorship
I don't think I have to pass a law, it's called harrassment.
are you kidding me?!
thats the most absurd thing i've seem yet
being rude to someone is not harassment, do you even know what harassment is?
coming up to someone and calling them names, and when they ask you to go away and you don't, that is harassment
me getting angry at a ranting customer in my line who berates me, is rude but is not remotely harassment!
you are heading down a slippy slope with that one,

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ReverendDG
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Message 210 of 310 (396810)
04-22-2007 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by riVeRraT
04-19-2007 9:33 PM


Re: No to Censorship
Can you explain the legal definition of "harrassment"
Harassment - Wikipedia can give you an idea
No I cannot, I am not a lawyer.
you don't need to be a lawyer really to understand what it is, people try of course to confuse what it is though.
The harrassment laws are pretty complicated, as they should be. Probably so that they do not enfringe on the 1st ammendment.
imo harassment is the act of not only annoying someone, but ignoring them when asked to stop or to leave, it can be offensive, though not always
people make it complex, the goverment tries to make it clear,but lawyers and people trying to exploit the law try to make it more frustrating that it really is

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