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anastasia
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Message 231 of 242 (388796)
03-07-2007 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by ringo
03-07-2007 2:10 PM


Re: Conviction
Ringo writes:
Your scenario isn't plausible unless you can show some reason for Pilate to give up the body.
Reason? Because Joseph of Arimethia asked?

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anastasia
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Message 233 of 242 (388806)
03-07-2007 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Brian
03-07-2007 8:09 PM


Re: Conviction
Brian writes:
And we know Pilate was liable to agree because..........?
And we know Jospeh of Aramathea asked because........?
Sorry about my mis-spell there. I typed it in both ways and picked the wrong one anyway.
Obviously, Brian, we don't know anything for sure. But in the Bible all four evangelists agree that the body was petitioned of Pilate, and therefore the customs of the Romans were presumably known by the evangeline authors. I can't get around these arguments where we indeed could be fooled after so much time, but the people of that time supposedly were buying into a story that they would have known to be false.

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anastasia
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Message 238 of 242 (396438)
04-19-2007 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Nuggin
04-19-2007 3:11 AM


Re: THAT IS NOT HIS TOMB!!
Nuggin, you two were not around for the brunt of this topic. Maybe I can help with the three things you mentioned.
1. The tomb was not mentioned in 1980.
This IIRC was because it was not 'discovered' by archeology in 1980, but rather by local workers. Whatever significance it has was not remarkable to them at the time, because of who they were, and not what was in it.
2.
Jesus was not specifically 'hidden' in the Bible. BUT in order for there to have been another tomb that was undiscovered for so long, it stands to reason that it would have been hidden. The questions here are more about whether Jesus was actually buried or just left in a mass grave by Romans. Any way we spin it, we are looking at extra-Biblical possibilities. So, harking back to the Bible is not going to answer what this tomb is. As far as the Bible is concerned the tomb does not match the criteria. So we have people believing some parts of the Bible, and then they will say Jesus never dies, or he goes on to marry Mary, etc, and any alternative is something that should have been 'hidden'.
3. The names on the tomb.
There are common names, yes. What has been brought up is what the reporters failed to mention time and again. The names that match the life of Jesus are talked about, and there are other names in there that are not involved in the life of Jesus. So...we have only to go on the names that ARE there. Other people could be buried there who were not mentioned in the Bible. Mary and Joseph would have had sisters and brothers and Jesus would have nieces and nephews. So the argument for or against is not depending on the other names at all. Only the recognizable names.
Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

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anastasia
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Message 239 of 242 (396441)
04-19-2007 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by alacrity fitzhugh
03-07-2007 1:40 PM


Re: I cant find any good discussion on this.
alacrity writes:
The scholars point out that Mark--writing at a time of Roman prosecution of Christians and for a largely non-Jewish audience--had incentives to present a story that would minimize the risk of condemnation by Roman authorities and maximize his prospects for winning converts to Christianity from among the Romans in his audience.
I just noticed this, and its way too late now...but for the record.
"Scholars point out that Mark --writing at a time of Roman persecution".
I remember all too clearly a conversation with Brian in which there wan NO evidence produced that Christians were being persecuted during this time!

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