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Author Topic:   How can "Creationism" be supported?
Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 15 of 32 (426753)
10-08-2007 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
10-04-2007 1:01 PM


Showing errors in one system, model, technique or theory does not support some other system, model, technique or theory.
Does this apply to evolution as well?
The second option, presenting models that explain the universe we live in better than the existing models is all that is left. Unfortunately, that would require a scientific approach.
Why is explaining the universe through a scientific approach "unfortunate"?
Creationism explanation of scientifc evidence compared alongside of evolutionary explanations of the same data are far superior. Of course this is why I am a Creationist.
It would need to have the internal consistency and correlative characteristics of the current models as well as providing naturalistic and testable models for all things seen.
Why would any Creationist or person accept naturalism filtered explanations since they predetermine the interpretation and conclusion?
Science uses supernaturalism suppositions because the world looks designed and that observation indicates invisible Designer. Why would any Christian object to this logic?
Ray
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Message 20 of 32 (426831)
10-08-2007 9:59 PM
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10-08-2007 5:19 PM


Re: Heading towards the topic.
The topic Ray is how can Biblical Creationism be supported?
Do you have anything to contribute that discussion.
In a previous topic I argued that Creationism is supported scientifically by the overwhelming observation of design seen in nature. Of course the entire claim is based upon the assumption that 'observation' is the cornerstone of science and the logic that design indicates invisible Designer.
In reply, I might add, evolutionists special plead: design does not indicate invisible Designer. So in this respect the evolutionists and their counterintuitive "logic" best correspond to Young Earth Creationism belief that appearance of great age does not indicate great age, more special pleading. This is why I am an Old Earth Creationist-Designist (but accept a young biosphere).
Ray

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Message 22 of 32 (426844)
10-08-2007 10:14 PM
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10-08-2007 10:06 PM


Re: Heading towards the topic.
However how do you differentiate between the appearance of design and design?
Straightforward logic says there is no difference.
Can you support that assertion?
Evolutionists do not agree that design indicates invisible Designer.
First you need to show design, don't you?
You already agreed that the appearance of design exists.
Ray

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