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IamJoseph
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Message 13 of 24 (431972)
11-03-2007 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tal
07-14-2005 2:51 PM


The value of the Nobels has been further reduced by the UN Inspector getting it - one reason I won't accept one offered to me.
Carbon dating is fine, but its not accurate with small dating margins, particularly it is askew with archeology and 'writings' datings:
Reliability of Carbon Dating
Bristlecone Pine Trees
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/...clear/cardat.html#c2
From the dating of ancient bristlecone pine trees from the western U.S., a correction curve for the carbon dating over the range back to 5000 BC has been developed. Trees dated at 4000 BC show the maximum deviation of between 600 and 700 years too young by carbon dating.
Glacier Measurements
Prior to carbon dating methods, the age of sediments deposited by the last ice age was surmised to be about 25000 years. "Radiocarbon dates of a layer of peat beneath the glacial sediments provided an age of only 11,400 years."
These examples are from The Earth Through Time, 2nd Ed. by Harold L. Levin
Krane points out that future carbon dating will not be so reliable because of changes in the carbon isotopic mix. Fossil fuels have no carbon-14 content, and the burning of those fuels over the past 100 years has diluted the carbon-14 content. On the other hand, atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons in the 1950s and 1960s increased the carbon-14 content of the atmosphere. Krane suggests that this might have doubled the concentration compared to the carbon-14 from cosmic ray production.

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IamJoseph
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Message 17 of 24 (435938)
11-23-2007 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by BeagleBob
11-23-2007 5:53 PM


quote:
Reliability of Carbon Dating
Bristlecone Pine Trees
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/...clear/cardat.html#c2
From the dating of ancient bristlecone pine trees from the western U.S., a correction curve for the carbon dating over the range back to 5000 BC has been developed. Trees dated at 4000 BC show the maximum deviation of between 600 and 700 years too young by carbon dating.
Glacier Measurements
Prior to carbon dating methods, the age of sediments deposited by the last ice age was surmised to be about 25000 years. "Radiocarbon dates of a layer of peat beneath the glacial sediments provided an age of only 11,400 years."
These examples are from The Earth Through Time, 2nd Ed. by Harold L. Levin Krane points out that future carbon dating will not be so reliable because of changes in the carbon isotopic mix. Fossil fuels have no carbon-14 content, and the burning of those fuels over the past 100 years has diluted the carbon-14 content. On the other hand, atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons in the 1950s and 1960s increased the carbon-14 content of the atmosphere. Krane suggests that this might have doubled the concentration compared to the carbon-14 from cosmic ray production.
Aside of this, there is also the lessening by re-constructionism scenarios, and agenda based conclusions, specially so with any findings relating to ToE factors. While ToE adherents accept the million years scenarios to base their claims, they contradict their science by the applicable maths: an 'on-going process' renders the million year scenario inapplicable, irrelevent and a slight of hand casino science.

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IamJoseph
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Message 18 of 24 (435939)
11-23-2007 8:34 PM
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11-23-2007 6:13 PM


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I thank the good lord you've made this decision
Last time I read Genesis, the Lord correctly uses contextual protocol. Yours is not a good example of responsa to my post.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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Message 20 of 24 (436014)
11-24-2007 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by BeagleBob
11-24-2007 2:32 AM


No, I'm certainly not negating the value of C14, only that it is not accurate for small and critical time margins. Also, when used for critical small and recent datings, by itself its not a sufficient conclusion: it has to match surrounding evidences, as it is subject to numerous forms of natural interfearences and impacts [earthquakes, tsnumamies, etc].
IMO, datings pertaining to prototype humans, specially when denoting intelligence and speech for modern mankind and its history, a continuous period of transit imprints should be evidenced, and these should align with mental prowess and population back-ups; thus I reject the Australian Abs as 60K.

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Message 22 of 24 (436040)
11-24-2007 7:19 AM
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11-24-2007 5:39 AM


"Though I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "critical time margins."
Critical, as in a paradigm changer, as with dating speech emergence. Here, a small period impacts upon proven speech endowed modern humans. C14 of fossils and caves does not conclude these factors.

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