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Author Topic:   Salt of the Earth (on salt domes and beds)
The Matt
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Message 7 of 81 (433949)
11-13-2007 6:28 PM
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11-13-2007 3:28 PM


Re: on evaporation
First, to get the conditions you describe, it would appear that the water would have to be pretty much enclosed, not flowing, to allow the evaporation to lay down the layer of salt.
Is that correct?
Yup. Not always enclosed entirely, but in open ocean you don't get evapourites.
Second, since we are precipitating salt out of the water, the salt layer would seem to be less than whatever the depth of the water was originally.
Is that correct?
Yes for an individual layer, however you can get repeated inundation and evaporation occurring at the same place, so you might end up with a sequence much thicker than the maximum depth of water at any one time.
So based on those two factors, it would seem that several things are needed:
* we need an enclosed body of water, a lake or inland sea.
You can also get salt deposits in:
-Coastal areas that are periodically flooded but are usually separated from the sea.
-areas where groundwater upwells and evaporates.
-semi-enclosed marine basins in arid environments, as in those that are separated from open water by a shallow strait or rock ledge. Water becomes denser as salinity increases so when evapouration occurs, the more saline remaining water sinks and you get a very saline water body trapped behind the barrier that encloses the basin.
So I'd say you need an enclosed or semi-enclosed body of water.
* we need any outflow from the lake to be less than or equal to any inflow.
* the trapped water must stay relatively undisturbed long enough for the water to evaporate.
I'm not 100% sure what you mean here. I'd just say you need losses by evaporation to be equal to or greater than water inputs (as even fresh water will contain some dissolved salts).

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The Matt
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Message 9 of 81 (434103)
11-14-2007 2:28 PM
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11-13-2007 6:43 PM


Re: on evaporation
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But will those show as layers?
In an ideal situation you get very clear evidence of layering. Salts precipitate out in order from least soluble to most soluble. Calcite first, followed by gypsum and anhydrite, halite, and last potassium/magnesium salt. In a pool that dries completely, in its deepest parts you will see all of these salts in that order (with calcite deepest) and be able to count how many inundations/dryings there have been. Things probably won't be that clear in most deposits though. Only the deepest parts (the last remaining puddles) will accumulate the potassium and magnesium salts, shallower areas left high and dry long before they begin to precipitate. I am not sure if it is possible to differentiate between layers in an area that only ever accumulates calcite- you'd have to ask someone more in the know. I'm also not sure about semi-enclosed marine basins.
quote:
Okay. But large open bodies such as an ocean or flowing water like a river won't lay down salt beds
You're right, they won't.
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So the next question is if it is laid down in layers, what is the likelihood of there being deposits on top of a salt layer?
It could happen quite easily, but likewise I guess they could become dissolved again and leave no trace of their existence. I don't know too much about this so can't say much more with any authority, but my guess is that they'd stand the best chance of survival if covered by a relatively impermeable layer like a clay or soil that would restrict water movement.

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The Matt
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Message 11 of 81 (434150)
11-14-2007 5:14 PM
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11-14-2007 3:13 PM


Re: on evaporation
I'm not familiar with the deposit myself, but a quick google has found this:
quote:
The Michigan Formation, exposed in abandoned gypsum mines around Grand Rapids, Kent County, consists of cyclically layered, thick units of gypsum, and thin beds of shale, dolomitic sandstones/siltstones, and detritus-rich dolomite. Based on the presence of mud cracks, ripple marks, angular to subrounded sand grains, and detrital, terrestrial plant debris, the depositional environment is interpreted to have been a shallow, marginal sea with periodic input of floodwaters from streams
http://gsa.confex.com/...4AM/finalprogram/abstract_75403.htm
So your interpretation sounds about right.
Edited by The Matt, : No reason given.

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The Matt
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Message 13 of 81 (434165)
11-14-2007 6:08 PM
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11-14-2007 5:59 PM


Re: on area
Why does the area make a difference? It's the surface area to volume ratio of the water body and the climate that's important.

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The Matt
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Message 42 of 81 (444476)
12-29-2007 3:05 PM
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12-27-2007 3:49 PM


Re: Bump for help on Salt Domes.
I can't tell you much, but the key seems to be the minerals having higher relative buoyancy than surrounding rocks causing them to rise. I'd imagine dissolution and recrystalisation has a hand in it also, but I'm just guessing there.

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