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slevesque
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Message 64 of 81 (590923)
11-10-2010 2:46 PM


Alternative Mechanism
Now, in the other thread Dr.A had asked me how saline giants could have formed during a global flood. I initially figured the same mechanism secular science used could also have happened during the flood, and that this probably could go on to be a worthwhile explanation.
There were, however, some problems with this, one of them being that they would have formed during the last stages of the flood, meaning they should be on the top of the sedimentary layers. This is not the case. Not only that, but it could never produce 4 fm of salt.
So I viewed the problem from another perspective. Maybe slow evaporations of vast amounts of water isn't the only way to produce something like that. Afterall, all it does is raise the concentration in the water to saturation, and at that point it precipitates to the bottom. But this isn't the only way to have mineral precipitate. Lowering the temparature of the water also causes precipitation. And I envisioned that if you had a very hot, mineral-saturated water current meeting a cold water current, you could probably get a very impressive amount of precipitation.
And of course, the flood model does have huge amounts of such hot water coming out of the earth's crust.
And so with a little research, it turned out that this is plausible mechanism, as I found at least one paper suggesting this mechanism forming the Messinian salt:
Dietz, R.S. and Woodhouse, M., Mediterranean theory may be all wet, Geotimes 33(5):4, 1988.
Which I couldn't find a way to access, unfortunately. I'm on a university servor so I know there are some sites that would let me access scientific papers freely, but I can't seem to find one.
I found this from them, where the abstract reads:
We question the widely held view that the sub-Mediterranean giant salt is anevaporite deposited in a dessicated deep basin (Hs model). Instead we suggest it to be a precipitite (new word, as the term evaporite tends to beg the question) precipitated within a deep water saturated brine (Schmalz model).
http://www.springerlink.com/content/70664516434k3162/
Which, after searching what 'brine' meant (yeah a new word), seems to be about what I had been thinking about.
So I guess the question is this, would there be any difference between a precipitite and an evaporite ? How could we recognize the two ? (I guess they answered this in their paper, but we would need to access it in order to know for sure)

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slevesque
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Message 66 of 81 (590935)
11-10-2010 3:59 PM


I also just thought of something else.
Creationist will say evaporites formed during the flood, which they put as starting around the cambrian layers. So it predicts that no giant salts would be found bellow.
Meanwhile, secular science proposes a mechanism that make another prediction. At any point in earth's history large bodies of water could have been seperated from the ocean and form an evaporite. Therefore there shouldn't be any difference in the proportion of evaporites above or bellow any specific layer.
Anyone have the world-wide distribution of salt giants, in regards to their depth in the layers ?
AbE I am now not totally sure the cambrian is where creationist place the pre-flood/post-flood boundary. Seems to be some disagreement over where it should be placed. Still, the creationist model predicts there will be a layer where giant salt distribution above and under will be significantly different. Just have to search what that layer would be in the creationist models.
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

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slevesque
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Message 67 of 81 (590936)
11-10-2010 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Coragyps
11-10-2010 3:33 PM


Re: Alternative Mechanism
I'll be honest, I think mixing two mineral-filled water solutions is probably much more complicated then that. In fact, I've been told chemical engineering is one of the hardest branches of engineering.
In fact, research on google of 'mixing brines precipitation' seems to only show me results that precipitation will occur, which is the opposite of what your over-simplified calculations show here.
mixing brines precipitation - Recherche Google
This is because it isn't simply salt-saturated water meeting fresh water, it's a saturated water of a boatload of stuff, meeting seewater which also has minerals dissolved in it.
PS Gypsum apparently could also precipitate: http://aapgbull.geoscienceworld.org/...ent/abstract/66/3/363

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