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Author | Topic: How can you identify the word of God without critical assessment of God? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
If something were presented as the word of God, and if you accept that you should not question the word of God, how could you determine whether or not it is indeed the word of God?
There may be prophets and there may be false prophets. There may be holy books and there may be false books. How can you tell them apart without critically assessing them using your fallible mortal understanding? An example could be choosing between the Oahspe and the Bible as a religious works. Could your choice as to which one of them is God's word be based on anything other than mortal assessment? Edited by sinequanon, : Corrected spelling of oahspe. See Message 3 by arachnophilia for another example.
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
my belief: john 1:1 "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word and God were one" Is this your belief because it is stated in the Bible? Or is it a coincidence that your belief is in the Bible? Is it your opinion that the Bible may not be the word of God, and may be erroneous, mistaken or misleading?
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
exactly. its only by choice that anyone believes anything. But choice can be random, educated, inspired etc. If it is random or educated, is it not fallible? Should the person then be aware there is a possibility that their God is false?
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
Here's an example I spotted...
DJBigz writes: and if god was so awesome he should have realized back then that most of the information in the bible would be controversial. why would a god make something that could be proven wrong/inaccurate. for being all knowing most stuff in the bible seams it was just written by different men during that time making stuff up or elaborating the truth to make it seam magical. http://EvC Forum: ignorance of creationism -->EvC Forum: ignorance of creationism It assumes that a human can have the understanding to determine what God would or wouldn't do (Provided DJBigz is actually human ). Edited by sinequanon, : No reason given.
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
What is wrong with that? You'll have to start a new thread if you wish to discuss that.
Not sure I understand the issue. It seems all that says is "If God intended for the Bible to be some clear set of instructions, She failed." Saying God failed is critically assessing God. I posted Message 14 as an example of this. The OP asks how you could determine the word of God without critically assessing God.
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
Your answer is a bit of an uneasy rigmarole. If I have deciphered it correctly I think two words could have sufficed: "I can't"?
To help you. Answers need only take the form:- i) I, can't.ii) I can, and explain how.
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
Is that an "I can't" or an "I can"?
See Message 18
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
jar, "YOU" is personal. "How can YOU do it?", not "how can other people can do?".
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
Thank you. One accurate post would have prevented the hassle.
I await responses from creationists.
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
In finding the word of God, did you critically assess God?
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
No explanation required. A yes or no answer is fine. I would not deem this one word off topic.
In finding the word of God, did you critically assess God?
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
We aren't critically assessing God, we are assessing other humans and what they present as being from God. I hear what you say, but I do not believe it is necessarily a case of either/or. It could be both. The OP happens to be asking about God. Are you implying that, if you are satisfied with the human presenting the word of God, then you have identified the word of God? Or are you implying that you cannot identify the word of God?
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
How could it be both? How is one assessing God when authenticating a claim? Doubting that the words came from God is not the same as doubting God. 'It' is possible to BOTH assess God AND authenticate a claim. So, the fact that you are authenticating a claim does not imply you are not assessing God. There is no assumption of any implication in the OP. It just asks the question.
For some that is all that is needed. And for you, personally? (Interestingly, you have done what nwr did in Message 23 and jar did in Message 24. I am starting to observe a certain pattern of coyness )
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
I would like to hear from other people who "follow God's word".
So far, only jar has explained how he thinks it is possible without critical assessment of God. He doesn't use this method himself. He is constantly critically assessing God.
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sinequanon Member (Idle past 2894 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
Is there any point or substance to this thread? Yes. I suspect people who respond will fall into two camps. i) Those who critically assess God.ii) Those who don't want to say. It would be interesting to find someone who admits to have iii) Found the word of God without critically assessing God. (It could be they are all represented by ii))
No, jar posted a method that can be used. There is no question of whether or not it is possible, the method I posted can be used. jar posted a method that can be used that may or may not be possible.
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