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jar
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Message 25 of 35 (448276)
01-12-2008 8:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 24 by subbie
01-12-2008 6:46 PM

Do you really want a discussion
or do the restrictions in the OP apply?
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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
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Message 27 of 35 (448291)
01-12-2008 9:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 26 by subbie
01-12-2008 9:17 PM

Re: Do you really want a discussion
Well, I was mainly interested in watching literalists tie themselves in knots trying to reconcile the two. But instead, it seems that most of them are laying low, so have at it.
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Well, since it was not meant literally but figuratively, I don't see much of a problem. In the OP you asked:
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My question is, if you believe in a seven day creation a few thousand years ago, why don't you cut off your hands when you use them in sinning?
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and the answer is "Sane folk don't cut their hands off and hands don't sin."
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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
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01-12-2008 10:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 28 by subbie
01-12-2008 10:30 PM

Changing goalposts? 'tis okay.
I assume that you'd agree with the second sentence, that it's better to lose a body part than to go to hell. Or perhaps you don't....
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Nah, I don't agree with that. As to figurative vs literal, the very line you quote seems to point in that direction. Of course your hand can't cause you to sin.
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As to Hell, Ah hell, fuggitabuttit.
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In any event, for someone who only takes the Matthew injunction figuratively, this still leaves open the question posed upthread to ICANT, who seems to think that simply believing in christ is enough to get one into heaven.
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Yeah, the Gett Outta Hell Free card theology. It's pretty common among the Born Again marketers and honestly, it's an easy sell.
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But it also makes God out to be a fool as well as evil.
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If that's the case, then how can that be reconciled with Matthew, which says, figuratively, that sinning will prevent one from getting into heaven?
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Well it can't, and it can't be reconciled with what Jesus supposedly said either. But the Bible isn't consistent. It is an anthology of anthologies and different parts tell different stories.
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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
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01-12-2008 11:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 30 by subbie
01-12-2008 10:58 PM

Re: 'Splain yourself!
Sooner or later you gotta take responsibility for YOUR actions.
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I did a whole thread on the issue of Salvation, at the Who can be saved? A Christian perspective.
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Short story is I believe the message Jesus brought is that GOD forgives everyone, Muslim, Jew, Satanist, Wiccan, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic, Taoist; regardless of what you believe or don't believe. No one is born damned, there is no Original Sin, and if there is a judgment, it will be personal, what you actually did versus what you might have done.
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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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