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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I think you are right and I think Granny is bang on with her assessment, too. I think that when people stop beleiving in organised religion they can start to believe in anything at all and this gets labled as 'spirituality'.
It seems that some people really need the supernatural in their life in some form or another.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
The closest I have ever come to a 'spiritual' was when I dabbled in the dark world of magic mushrooms. I fel hyperconnected to everything and at times was crying with joy (another time I was afraid I would lose my identity so it's not all shits and giggles).
Either way, I had a sense of something 'other'. But that don't mean it is true.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Which fundemental truth do you mean?
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Heinrik writes: The fundamental truth of who we are. Dosen't sound very fundamental, I know exactly who I am. I assume you know who you are. What's that got to do with spirituality? If you mean to say that we are something other than that which we are then you are on shaky ground, my friend.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Heinrik writes: I mean to say that we are much more than we think we are and whilst we think we know who we are then we cannot become more. We, humanity as a whole, are everything to do with spirituality. Without us there is no spirituality. The thing is Heinrik, you no reason to believe this is true. Many people are always striving to improve themselves without buying into your 'much more than we think we are'. How do you know we are 'more than we are' and what does this have to do with the hazy dazy term 'spiritual'?
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Heinrik writes: I cannot prove this is true but I do have reason to believe it is. Then for what reason do you believe this to be true if you do not have enough evidence to 'prove' it?
Heinrik writes: I am not talking about improving oneself, but truly knowing self and being true to oneself. Now you are moving the goal post and redefining your terms. And anyway, what the hell does 'truly knowing yourself and being true to your self' mean? Can you only partially know your self? Can you be untrue to yourself? You bandy about terms and define them as spiritual but in fact appear to mean 'being conscistant with ones nature'. Your Mandella quote is well observed; but it has bugger all to do with spirituallity.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Granny Magda writes: One last question; if a tree falls in a forest and only a Big Brother contestant is there to hear it, does it still make a sound? I would like it to be the sound of the Big Brother contestant becoming spiritual with a big crunch.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Heinrik writes: We, humanity as a whole, are everything to do with spirituality. Says you: provide evidence for your assertion.
Heinrik writes: Without us there is no spirituality. Without us there is no vaguely defined mumbo jumbo some flakes call spirituality. You appear to have no real reason to believe there is a 'spiritual' existence. Care to provide one?
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Cut the martyr talk and respond to post 67.
Or don't.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Heinrik writes: My reasoning is to look at the global experiences and find the common denominator that links us all together in a spiritual reality. All I can find is our humanity. Us. Each one of us. All you are saying here is that people share humanity. what has that go to so with 'spirituallywhichyoustillhavenotdefined'?
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Granny Magda writes: "Spiritual reality" my arse. That made me smile.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Heinrik writes: Without us there is no consciousness. This is about as usefull a statement to a discussion as saying: "without us there would be no one around to understand the concepts we are discussing". It is an empty statement. But hold on, here comes another.
Larni writes: You appear to have no real reason to believe there is a 'spiritual' existence. Heinrik writes: That is because I haven't given you one. This is a discussion board, my friend. You cannot come here, assert what you reckon is true without even defining your terms. You have been asked several times to define 'spiritual' and you have not done so. Untill you can you will be open to accusations of woo woo, magic and believing in what amounts to an overvalue idea.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: In other words, is spirituality anything more than peer pressure for the sake of mass manipulation? Yeah, that about somes it up ans this thread has no where to disabuse me of it.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
dameeva writes: Heinrik has not mentioned anything about woo woo magic or anything supernatural in his definition of spirituality. The woo woo came from you, my dear. Ya. His definition of spiritual is obviously wrong. What does spiritual mean to you? Does it mean:
Heinrik writes: knowing self and this life. Which I would interpret as self awareness; or does it mean:
Heinrik writes: There isn't much to say about the religionists compared to the spiritualists but the common bond is the beliving in the 'supernatural. My bold Which is most definitly woo woo.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Bump.
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