Religion v Spirituality

Spirituality seems to becoming very popular in different forms, do you think it will 'take over' religion?

I think the meaning of spirituality is too vague and too encompassing. However, I do believe there is a shift in humanities' consciousness, meaning changing of beliefs.
Personally, I do not believe in the supernatural, either in spirituality or in religion. I figure if god, angels and devil are real then so are ghosts, aliens and spirits.

Numinous :
Of or relating to a numen; "supernatural".
Filled with or characterized by a sense of a supernatural presence: a numinous place.
Spiritually elevated; sublime.I have a different definition than yours. Where did you get yours from?

Would you check the definition of "Numinous." I have a different meaning to yours. Are there any other definitions out there?Edited by Heinrik, : No reason given.

Great explanation, magda. I have tried to take in all the information posted, internalize it and then put into my words. I guess there will be a name for this but I don't know what it is. I do know it's hard work. Anyway, let me have a go at summarizing.Spiritualists who do not believe in god are, and do, have the same spiritual experiences of connecting to numinous feelings but do not assume/conclude or believe it is god. Many percieve them in individual ways and give individual meanings, including non-biblical supernatural.Religionists having the same experiences associate them only with the religious supernatural.There isn't much to say about the religionists compared to the spiritualists but the common bond is the beliving in the 'supernatural.Of course, there are the evolutionists who have a different point of view altogether, but I won't go there.I do believe there is another form of spiritualists who believe that we create all our spiritual emotional experiences from within. There is nothing outside of us that doesn't exist within. To be honest, this is my personal form of spirituality that I do practise in my life.I don't judge my way as the best way for anyone else other than me. I wanted to have a choice and this thread has been great to clarify what it all means to me.referring back to the original concept that began this thread:
"Religion is for those who are afraid of going to hell, whereas Spirituality is those who have already been"I belong to the latter, so I dare say there won't be many of us. Hell is where wise men fear to tread. I was not a wise man.I truly don't think it matters how these emotional experiences are percieved. It's all life.

You just enjoyed the ride huh?
Your experience means exactly what you say it means and it's the same for everyone, and I agree, it doesn't make it true. It means you had an experience.
I do believe there is a fundamental truth that we all can know and it will only concern the human race, void of outside influences. We just haven't found it yet.

This is exactly the point. The experience is real but the cause and the meaning?

The fundamental truth of who we are.

It is difficult to explain because it's a bit paradoxical but I will have a go. What does it mean in real terms?
Everything we are aware of on the outside of us could not exist in our reality without our 'awareness' of it existing. E.g. the flat earth existed until someone had a new idea on the possibilty it could be round. It still existed as flat until it had been experienced and believed by enough humans to change the reality.However, the reality did not change. The earth was always round but to the believers of the flat earth, that was the reality. The awareness or consciousness or beliefs changed and they all exist within the human psyche.Therefore whether or not something exists depends on awareness coupled with experience.

I mean to say that we are much more than we think we are and whilst we think we know who we are then we cannot become more. We, humanity as a whole, are everything to do with spirituality. Without us there is no spirituality.

I cannot prove this is true but I do have reason to believe it is. I am not talking about improving oneself, but truly knowing self and being true to oneself. This is the spirituality to which I refer. Not the supernatural but the natural which is super.Mandella said, "The problem isn't that we think too highly of ourselves but that we don't think highly enough."

They are two sides of the same coin. Reality is what we believe it to be and experience it to be, until we become aware and experience it differently.The reality of the earth being round had no impact "on their reality". Until the belief was challenged it stood to be true. You could hypothetically say that but no-one would believe you. Who is this big brother contestant? Do you mean George Bush?

No I did not say that and I did not mean to say that. You missed the most imortant part of the statement which is "IN OUR REALITY". OURS as a whole. REALITY as an expereince of the belief.Edited by Heinrik, : No reason given.

You know, Larni I have really tried to express myself and my concepts to the best of my ability. There is nothing I can add that would not cause more of these reactionary posts. I am called woo woo, silly, stupid, accused of bandying words, and so much more. This does not hurt me and generally I ignore such remarks. But you know, your final statement told me not to ignore them any more. I am banging my head against a brick wall with someone who is intent on disagreeing without any ideas or understanding of their own.

You know, Larni I have really tried to express myself and my concepts to the best of my ability. There is nothing I can add that would not cause more of these reactionary posts. I am called woo woo, silly, stupid, accused of bandying words, and so much more. Generally, I ignore such remarks. But you know, your final statement told me not to ignore them any more. I am banging my head against a brick wall with someone who is intent on disagreeing without any ideas or understanding of their own.